The Detective 27 comic shop purchase

[JohnT]

Also, another fact bolstering this: Nobody in this hobby has come forward and said, "I KNOW that Action 7 or Det 27... I used to own it / xxx used to own it / etc., etc." Neither of the two big keys out of three have beed identified by ANYONE for a previous provenance and BOTH of those books have VERY identifiable features.

Hmmm...this is a good point. That's probably the only Siamese paper Tec 27 in the world.

[AceVentura]

Hmmm...this is a good point. That's probably the only Siamese paper Tec 27 in the world.

When I first laid eyes on the Det 27, my first reaction was, "I've never seen one like THIS before". My original gut impression was bolstered by nobody else in the hobby being able to identify it or even THINK they've seen it someplace before. IMO, Todd is the first "dealer" to own this book.

[Capitalrecoveryman]

Sorry to sound jaded.

It's just that I have lived with this Thread on a daily basis for over six months.

It is getting tedious for me, though I completely understand its significance and will hang in there to the bitter end or at least until some of the more weighty questions are answered.

It is particularly tedious for me when Mr. Eide refuses to answer direct questions and clarifications on issues that he implies he has the answers to.

Very tedious.

If you imagine the posts to this thread read aloud in the voices of Dale Cooper and the Log Lady, it stays both fresh and exciting.

[MasterChief]

Sorry to sound jaded.

It's just that I have lived with this Thread on a daily basis for over six months.

It is getting tedious for me, though I completely understand its significance and will hang in there to the bitter end or at least until some of the more weighty questions are answered.

It is particularly tedious for me when Mr. Eide refuses to answer direct questions and clarifications on issues that he implies he has the answers to.

Very tedious.
You don't sound jaded, not in the least. Impatient maybe (as I am) but not jaded. :)

The term "refuses to answer" is a strong phrase. Has he told you as much or are you drawing a conclusion based upon his periodic absences?

As I recall, he did mention that he had a business to attend to (or some words to that effect). Seems to me that his last few responses have come after he was able to sit, collect his thoughts, and compose a message that was at least halfway comprehendible. Quite the contrast from the other bulleted-styled communiqués that he has spattered throughout this thread, would you say?

By the way, I'm with you. I understand there are questions, and many of them. And we would like nothing more than to have the answers. But if I might be so bold as to recommend that we at least give him a chance to finish his story for the record, then we can hit him over the head with the cross examination. :twisted:

If we don't at least let Eide finish, we're gonna be going back and forth for another six months about its granular aspects without even reaching its long-awaited conclusion. :mad:

[The Charlton Guy]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/the-charlton-guy/Superman2.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/the-charlton-guy/Superman2B.jpg

Check out the back cover outer edge vs. the front cover outer edge.

And the bottom staple.

Mr. Eide noted this as a "Good - 2.0 - Trimmed" on his assessment.

[The Charlton Guy]

If we don't at least let Eide finish, were gonna be going back and forth for another six months about its granular aspects without even reaching its long-awaited conclusion. :mad:

I hear ya.

And I'll see what I can do. Given the reinvigoration you fellers have given this thread, and the recent lack of input from Mr. Eide since the same, it may very well be nesessary to prolong this.

I'll see what I can do.

And see what Mr. Eide does.

[MasterChief]

When I first laid eyes on the Det 27, my first reaction was, "I've never seen one like THIS before". My original gut impression was bolstered by nobody else in the hobby being able to identify it or even THINK they've seen it someplace before. IMO, Todd is the first "dealer" to own this book.
Well, Dan, your opinionated theory is out the window if Eide provides information that proves Dupcak is the "first dealer". Wouldn't you say?

[JohnT]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/the-charlton-guy/Superman2.jpg



http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/the-charlton-guy/Superman2B.jpg


Check out the back cover outer edge vs. the front cover outer edge.

And the bottom staple.

Mr. Eide noted this as a "Good - 2.0 - Trimmed" on his assessment.

He said "partially trimmed, apparent Fine" and gave it a 2.0.

What do you say about the back, Ace?

[Eide]

Soren, you are having trouble interpreting my managers work sheets. All of the books were graded by CGC standards , absent the secret hand shake. Superman#2 was graded fine 6.0 as it was prior to Nelson and the hand of God. It was downgraded correctly to the equivalent of a 2.0 for the partial trim. All of the Heritage books got pleasent bumps from the grades i would have received not to mention the " let's take advantage of some decent Danny resto" blue labeling. In the case of the trimmed books, the apparent grade (see the word "appears") is in the title column and the reduced to grade follows the #. Details are VERY important. Perhaps you should check the DETAIL on the Superman#2 , the whole top left corner across from "No.2". The Heritage blow up, pan/scan, and lighten/darken features were killer on this. Have Danny comment after someone shows it blown up and in 3 stages ; dark, natural and light. See anything.

Master is exactly right, i have a life and a business and paying the bills and keeping the doors open is priority #1. If that does not meet with your approval, kick me out of your sandbox.

[The Charlton Guy]

Thanks Greg. I am sorry for being so cantankerous...it's been one of those weeks...for six months...

You have a lot of people who would love to hear what you have to say, so I'll step back and let you be.

You can stay in the sandbox as long as it takes.

[AceVentura]

Well, Dan, your opinionated theory is out the window if Eide provides information that proves Dupcak is the "first dealer". Wouldn't you say?


My name is Richard. What would you consider positive proof that DD was his seller? Simply Greg's say so that is was DD with his hair dyed blonde and plastic surgery? How many times had Greg met DD BEFORE "Matt" walked into his store to be able to positively ID him that day?

Could Greg have been WRONG about it being DD? After all, now he's 0 for 2 with the trimming. Neither the Action 7, nor the Superman 2 graded trimmed nor near his assessed "buying mode" grade.

Have any MORE of these been graded and scored Blue labels?

He was convinced they were trimmed, and he was convinced it was Dupcak. Could he have been wrong on both counts? Then again, could it have been DD with 71 untrimmed books. If so, why wouldn't he have just auctioned them on Ebay?? Since nobody's ever seen ANY of them before, IF I, OR Robojo were DD, WHY wouldn't DD have simply auctioned these for RETAIL on Ebay along with his Silver age books???? He would have KNOWN they were untrimmed, right? So what would have been the problem with auctioning them with the same guarantees??? They seem to be passing CGC blue label muster as their graded.

The whole thing makes no sense whatsoever! It would only make sense IF they were coming back trimmed from CGC.

That day, in his store, Greg Eide saw trimmed books and he saw demons, none of which were there. And based on everything discussed, and the way these books are grading, and the way Greg GRADED them... that's the ONLY logical explanation.

[AceVentura]

Soren, you are having trouble interpreting my managers work sheets. All of the books were graded by CGC standards , absent the secret hand shake. Superman#2 was graded fine 6.0 as it was prior to Nelson and the hand of God. It was downgraded correctly to the equivalent of a 2.0 for the partial trim. All of the Heritage books got pleasent bumps from the grades i would have received not to mention the " let's take advantage of some decent Danny resto" blue labeling. In the case of the trimmed books, the apparent grade (see the word "appears") is in the title column and the reduced to grade follows the #. Details are VERY important. Perhaps you should check the DETAIL on the Superman#2 , the whole top left corner across from "No.2". The Heritage blow up, pan/scan, and lighten/darken features were killer on this. Have Danny comment after someone shows it blown up and in 3 stages ; dark, natural and light. See anything.

Master is exactly right, i have a life and a business and paying the bills and keeping the doors open is priority #1. If that does not meet with your approval, kick me out of your sandbox.

Greg, how many times have you met DD? Were you ever to his store? Was he ever in yours (aside of course from "Matt")? Did you happen to catch what he was driving? OR a plate number? Or the STATE of the license plate on his car? Do you have any store photos? Did you ever talk to DD in the past or present aside from "Matt's" visit?

[AceVentura]

Have Danny comment after someone shows it blown up and in 3 stages ; dark, natural and light. See anything.



You'll have to seek out Danny for his comments on it. However, I can give you my opinion. I looked at it magnified to a higher level than the Heritage scan and nothing about that or the book looks nefarious to me.

Now wait a cotton-picking minute. Aren't I the guy that has been so outspoken about CGC and Heritage's collusionatory nefarious business practices? Wouldn't I LOVE an opportunity to add just ONE MORE book, or several more to the thousands of scans of books I have in my database that DON'T belong in blue label slabs? Wouldn't I just LOVE the pleasure of whipping out a scan of the Action 7 or Superman 2 freshly after cutting, with the now missing shard of paper alongside the edge from where it was shaved, a la the Tomahawk CGC 9.2???

THAT would be BEAUTIFUL the coup-de-grace, and support every observaton I ever made about Heritage/CGC. But I can't because I'm not their trimmer, and I seriously doubt they HAVE a trimmer except for when they were INITIALLY "trimmed" almost 70 years ago.

I would LOVE to be able to point at the Action 7 and Superman 2 and find something AS UNMISTAKENLY QUESTIONABLE as the books in my files. But I CAN'T!! I see nothing suspicious on either the Superman 2 OR the Action 7. Then again, they're 1938 to 1940 books and the wide manufacturing tolerances make it FAR more difficult to tell those "happy accidents" from naturally occurring manufacturing idiosynchoses.

Greg, you're right about MANY things, but I can't help you with presenting a restored argument on these two NATURAL APPEARING books.

[djpinkpanther67]

Well, I have read this thread in it's entirety and now I must say I'm leery of buying anything slabbed OR raw anymore, especially over a VF/NM grade. I only collect FFs, but damn if I'm nervous about slabbed books now. This whole conspiracy theory thing has me wondering...

Aside from the tone of mud slinging that Eides has thrown, he has quite artfully sidestepped answering questions in a direct manner. His "Red Herring" approach is glaringly obvious. Seems to me he's just ticked off he missed out on a great deal.

Ace Ventura (CK, robojo33, Hammer Dupcak-whomever you are) your knowledge of resto/trimming is for lack of a better word, nigh impressive. Thanks for your input!

Thinking aloud, (I don't expect this to be answered) I have always wondered why people would ruin books and destroy their history for the sake of the dollar. Yes money makes the world go round, but what about destroying the integrity of the books themselves? Respectable money could be made from the books WITHOUT the manipulation. I love money just as much as the next person but not enough to destroy a book. Don't these book trimmers care anything at all about the books themselves? There aren't that many of them left and if they keep getting messed with will there EVER be any books remaining with their integrity intact?

Sorry but I had to get that out. I LOVE comics and think it's a shame they are methodically being destroyed

[Eide]

People who are NOT Danny Dupcak on this thread.
Eide
Master Chief
Oxbladder
Stupidman
Charlton Guy
Burntboy
STL Comics
JDB
Davenport
Red Hook
Marvelguy
Hoss
And that's about it. Mighty big dog pile on the Eide rabbit. CG ,you didn't have to invite him; he was already here and now he has multiplied like the cockroach he is.

[djpinkpanther67]

People who are NOT Danny Dupcak on this thread.
Eide
Master Chief
Oxbladder
Stupidman
Charlton Guy
Burntboy
STL Comics
JDB
Davenport
Red Hook
Marvelguy
Hoss
And that's about it. Mighty big dog pile on the Eide rabbit. CG ,you didn't have to invite him; he was already here and now he has multiplied like the cockroach he is.
I'm not Dupcak as well, but just wondering what this has to do with the issue at hand? You have been asked several times to provide better proof/descriptions, maybe even a still pic from your shop's security camera. You seem to be acting like someone who is pizzed at the world because YOU passed on something. Envy is a bad road to travel my friend. It only ends in bitterness

[AceVentura]

People who are NOT Danny Dupcak on this thread.
Eide
Master Chief
Oxbladder
Stupidman
Charlton Guy
Burntboy
STL Comics
JDB
Davenport
Red Hook
Marvelguy
Hoss
And that's about it. Mighty big dog pile on the Eide rabbit. CG ,you didn't have to invite him; he was already here and now he has multiplied like the cockroach he is.

So THIS is your summation?

I guess this just about gift-wraps the mutliplicity of unanswered questions with a bow, doesn't it?

Are you as sure about MY being DD as you were that it was DD in your store, with blonde hair and plastic surgery?

Are you as sure about MY being DD as you were that all of these books were TRIMMED???

You WERE sure to sidestep all of my questions though.

People get so worked up when they hear the name "ol' Danny D" that they throw all logic and reason right out the window, just like you did with a profit potential of a HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

That's right, Greg. A HALF A MILLION. NO ONE can ever say Greg Eide isn't a man of integrity who puts the good of the hobby ahead of a personal payday of A HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

You could have bought this collection for $200,000, the value of just the MF or Det 27 ALONE!! And retailed them on EBAY or consigned them to Comiclink, ComicConnect, or Heritage for AT LEAST $700,000 dollars!!

If that MF 52 grades anywhere between that Sup 2 and Action 7, it's a TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR BOOK!!!!!. That's $350,000 ALONE, just between the Action 7 and MF 52 WITHOUT counting in the Det 27 yet. That's MY summation.

That's quite a payday you turned down due to your integrity, and the hobby and everyone in it owes you a vote of thanks for your due dilligence in exposing "Matt" and whomever else you want to point to as ol' Danny D.

Nobody can ever say that YOU'RE all about the money. Good for you. You must sleep like a baby!

[AceVentura]

Well, I have read this thread in it's entirety and now I must say I'm leery of buying anything slabbed OR raw anymore, especially over a VF/NM grade. I only collect FFs, but damn if I'm nervous about slabbed books now. This whole conspiracy theory thing has me wondering...

Aside from the tone of mud slinging that Eides has thrown, he has quite artfully sidestepped answering questions in a direct manner. His "Red Herring" approach is glaringly obvious. Seems to me he's just ticked off he missed out on a great deal.

Ace Ventura (CK, robojo33, Hammer Dupcak-whomever you are) your knowledge of resto/trimming is for lack of a better word, nigh impressive. Thanks for your input!

I have always wondered why people would ruin books and destroy their history for the sake of the dollar.

Sorry but I had to get that out. I LOVE comics and think it's a shame they are methodically being destroyed

Why should comics be any more sacred than LIFE ITSELF: trees, plants, whales, buffalo, seals, rhinos, lions, tigers, bears, etc., and in some places PEOPLE systematically destroyed or hunted to extinction because somebody profited by doing so?

[JohnT]

Why should comics be any more sacred than LIFE ITSELF: trees, plants, whales, buffalo, seals, rhinos, lions, tigers, bears, etc., and in some places PEOPLE systematically destroyed or hunted to extinction because somebody profited by doing so?

Trimming comics is ethically acceptable because people have destroyed nature.

Anyway, here's the corner of the Superman 2. Mr. Eide, are you saying that top edge looks trimmed? Or do you think that's color touch in the red? If you don't mind, let's get specific here, instead of "look at the corner" or, on Ace's end, "that book looks natural." Not everyone here is a resto expert. Please educate us!

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff222/jftetzloff/Superman2.jpg

And Mr Eide, I'm not Dupak, even though I didn't make your safe list. (Good Grief)

[AceVentura]

Trimming comics is ethically acceptable because people have destroyed nature.

Anyway, here's the corner of the Superman 2. Mr. Eide, are you saying that top edge looks trimmed? Or do you think that's color touch in the red? If you don't mind, let's get specific here, instead of "look at the corner" or, on Ace's end, "that book looks natural." Not everyone here is a resto expert. Please educate us!


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff222/jftetzloff/Superman2.jpg


And Mr Eide, I'm not Dupak, even though I didn't make your safe list. (Good Grief)

I didn't make his list either and neither am I Dupak.

The top edge of the entire corner has a slight impact demarcation. This caused a small micro-tear that OBVIOUSLY wasn't sealed or pressed or it wouldn't be so obvious!

The darker red areas are faint surface soiling (soot, dust, etc.). Nothing that you may notice with the naked eye, but scan the areas and the soiling imparts the different hues of red.

Scanning cover REDS especially USUALLY produce this granulation effect where "hidden" dirt is present as most scanners have A TENDENCY TO ARTIFACT BRIGHT COVER REDS.

It just doesn't look like a worked on, pressed, or color touched corner IMO. Nothing remarkable along those line about it.

At home experiment. Scan any fire-engine red cover area. Now on the photoshop editing brightness, contrast settings, view that scanned area through an ever increasing or decreasing range of bright/contrast settings. What you will notice is that on each and every one of those different settings, DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE RED WILL POP OUT TO YOU, as either darker or lighter on EACH SETTING you try! It's just artifacting of the different resonances of the red that MOVE the resultant splotches around that look almost like engranulated SUNSPOTS on the surface of the sun.

The fact that Greg said "start dim, then go to bright, then brighter". What I explained right above is what GREG is mistaking as a positive for color touch that is only resonance changes due to brightness and contrast changes.

It's either faint soiling or brightness induced, chromatic resonance changes in the case of this Action 7. Certainly not ct, in my opinion based on that super-sized scan that I viewed ENLARGED.

[AceVentura]

Trimming comics is ethically acceptable because people have destroyed nature.



Heck no. That's not what I said. What I pointed out is that the IMPETUS, the motivation for such behavior is the same.

Fortunately there are still people of unshakeable ethics around, like Greg, who passed on what most dealers would have seen as the major score of a lifetime, because of his unwavering integrity and concern for felow hobbyists. The man is a saint, totally unmotivated by personal enrichment.

[AceVentura]

And Mr Eide, I'm not Dupak, even though I didn't make your safe list. (Good Grief)

And while we're on the subject, you're NOT off the hook yet!

Come clean, John T! Et tu, Dupcak? (I'm starting to see ol' Danny D everywhere I look too)

[JohnT]

I didn't make his list either and neither am I Dupak.

The top edge of the entire corner has a slight impact demarcation. This caused a small micro-tear that OBVIOUSLY wasn't sealed or pressed or it wouldn't be so obvious!

The darker red areas are faint surface soiling (soot, dust, etc.). Nothing that you may notice with the naked eye, but scan the areas and the soiling imparts the different hues of red.

Scanning cover REDS especially USUALLY produce this granulation effect where "hidden" dirt is present as most scanners have A TENDENCY TO ARTIFACT BRIGHT COVER REDS.

It just doesn't look like a worked on, pressed, or color touched corner IMO. Nothing remarkable along those line about it.

At home experiment. Scan any fire-engine red cover area. Now on the photoshop editing brightness, contrast settings, view that scanned area through an ever increasing or decreasing range of bright/contrast settings. What you will notice is that on each and every one of those different settings, DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE RED WILL POP OUT TO YOU, as either darker or lighter on EACH SETTING you try! It's just artifacting of the different resonances of the red that MOVE the resultant splotches around that look almost like engranulated SUNSPOTS on the surface of the sun.

The fact that Greg said "start dim, then go to bright, then brighter". What I explained right above is what GREG is mistaking as a positive for color touch that is only resonance changes due to brightness and contrast changes.

It's either faint soiling or brightness induced, chromatic resonance changes in the case of this Action 7. Certainly not ct, in my opinion based on that super-sized scan that I viewed ENLARGED.

Very interesting! What say you Mr. Eide? What are you seeing on this corner?

I would think that one thing to look for on a book is whether things that could have been easily been worked on weren't (not that I'd be able to spot that).

Another question I would ask is why would trimming been done on a particular book? Maybe this would be less reliable a test, because by definition trimming removes imperfections, but in some cases wouldn't it just not make sense to trim a particular book? Just throwing that out there...

Ace, what do you think of the back of the Superman 2? Doesn't the back cover come far short of the next wrap?

[JohnT]

And while we're on the subject, you're NOT off the hook yet!

Come clean, John T! Et tu, Dupcak? (I'm starting to see ol' Danny D everywhere I look too)

If you're looking at a stack of comics and start seeing trimming everywhere, it's just a matter of time before you start seeing Dupcak everywhere too. :p

[OldGuy]

I'm not here to duel with Greg. I'm here to help him ORGANIZE his thoughts......

This will be priceless.

Pass the popcorn.

[OldGuy]

You can stay in the sandbox as long as it takes.

LOL!

Or four more days, whatever comes first.

[MasterChief]

Well, Dick, your opinionated theory is out the window if Eide provides information that proves Dupcak is the "first dealer". Wouldn't you say?



My name is Richard...

Oh... sorry. Post corrected. Hope you don't mind the informal approach. :)

[MrBedrock]

Just to stir things up (as a newbie, I am entitled)...
An Open Question to Greg Eide.
Previous to this whole Detective 27 ordeal what was your experience in buying and selling golden age comics? You seem to put yourself in that rarefied air of expert. Yet, as a long time golden age dealer myself, I have only crossed paths with you at a DC RRP retailers meeting. And when I asked you then if you carried vintage back issues (particularly golden age) you said you didn't. How in the world did you learn so much so fast?

[stupidman]

My name is Richard.


Richard Koos??

[AceVentura]

If you're looking at a stack of comics and start seeing trimming everywhere, it's just a matter of time before you start seeing Dupcak everywhere too. :p

So is that a "Yes"? We've FINALLY located the missing Dupcak? Due to of all people, MY efforts?? #allhailme#

[AceVentura]

Oh... sorry. Post corrected. Hope you don't mind the informal approach. :)

Except that it makes absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, for DD to dispose of $750,000 worth of books for $200,000. Unless he's a complete idiot, if what everybody seems to hold as fact isn't fiction.

Let's go over the facts:

1) DD is widely held to be me, RK/Comic-Keys on Ebay, who SOLD COMICS on Ebay from late 2000 until late 2006.

Over this period, MANY expensive books were auctioned

A Marvel Comics #1, and other Golden age DCs and Timelys on occassion but MOSTLY Silver age books.

First questions for consideration:

WHY wouldn't these 71 books have been RETAILED on Ebay during those 6 years along with other Comic-Keys offerings? Worry over them being trimmed?? DD worried about passing somebody a trimmed book???

2) Robo is widely held as being me, who is widely held as being DD.

More questions for consideration:

Why wholesale these books to a little fish when they can be RETAILED on Ebay along with Robo's other offerings?

It just makes no sense logically for a seller that gets excellent prices for his auctions to WHOLESALE books of great value for pennies on the dollar unless they're stolen (and we all know they are not), or bad (and they're systematically being returned by CGC Universal labeled).

So where's the logic in this if either the seller was DD, or I'm DD AND Robo??

The ONLY two possibilities expanded:

1) CGC is fraudulently passing trimmed books in blue labels for their buddies, or in league with DD and Geppi on this caper like Greg suggests.

2) CGC is calling them right, and the seller MIGHT or MIGHT not have been DD, but the books may truly be virgins. In ANY case, if I were DD, I would have KNOWN the books were virgins AND previously unknown, and RETAILED them on the Robo handle since Robo guarantees all books, also backing all expenses to grade them if wrong. They would have sold for CONSIDERABLY more than $200,000, the exposure woud have been great, and they would have graded problem free like everything else that comes through Robo it seems.
Do Matt's actions with this collection sound like Wiley Coyote?
Matt was just a guy off the street that found some great previously undiscovered books. It's happened before, and it still happens, with decreasing frequency as time goes by.

These are the only 2 possibilities, IMO. And I tend to lean toward #2. Given all the details and seeing the results of the Action 7 and Superman 2, Greg was 0 for 2 on the books being trimmed, and Matt being DD. Makes absloutely no sense. If you disagree, please state why.

[djpinkpanther67]

#popcorn#

[AceVentura]

Just to stir things up (as a newbie, I am entitled)...
An Open Question to Greg Eide.
Previous to this whole Detective 27 ordeal what was your experience in buying and selling golden age comics? You seem to put yourself in that rarefied air of expert. Yet, as a long time golden age dealer myself, I have only crossed paths with you at a DC RRP retailers meeting. And when I asked you then if you carried vintage back issues (particularly golden age) you said you didn't. How in the world did you learn so much so fast?

Rock, I know YOU'RE very experienced with handling Golden age from following your acutions over the years.

How would you interpret my statement that the size of early Super-Golden age books (1938 to 1940) vary drastically in size and even degree of "squareness", and that you'd be hard pressed to find TWO out of a hundred books plucked at random that would line up flush, one placed atop the other?

Do you agree that trim on these books CANNOT be positively determined by merely lining them up for comparative sizing?

[AceVentura]

Richard Koos??

Hey Stu!! :)

Yes! #allhailme#

[AceVentura]

LOL!

Or four more days, whatever comes first.

I wish it were longer. I don't see my words as a detriment to hobbyists. I know the answers to questions posed by forumites DAYS before they SOMETIMES arrive at the answers. Whenever I can help, I try. :)

I would think that after Ewert, after my posts on the St Louis forums and CPG forums, people would WANT to hear my opinions on certain hobby issues.

I'm not 100% sure, but think I'm the one directly responsible for pointing MasterChief in the right direction. I gave him some facts, a few reference scans and websites, and from there, he tested the veracity of my information by making his own observations and coming to similar findings.

I never tried to Hammer people over the head with "conspiracies". I always maintained, "here it is... now study this material and draw your own conclusions".

No hard feelings about anything either. People are FAST to report a problem and slow to report the good. You're just reporting what you hear.

If every seller in the hobby had their own hate page from an individual bent in destroying them, each and every sale that wasn't perfect reported in full detail, nobody would even buy mylars from ANYONE.

You should see MY email collection about deals gone bad from disgruntled buyers of some of the hobby "giants" that are held in the highest ethical regard. These were sent to me in strict confidence and I don't share their contents with anyone, but they DO abound.

[AceVentura]

BTW, the subject of color touch detection from scans was brought up in the post where George inferred that the top left corner of the Act 7 was color touched.

View this auction ebay auction that just closed: 140221928835

Tell me what you see in the scan of the bottom left corner, in the black area of this color touched book listed and sold as unrestored.

[JohnT]

BTW, the subject of color touch detection from scans was brought up in the post where George inferred that the top left corner of the Act 7 was color touched.

View this auction ebay auction that just closed: 140221928835

Tell me what you see in the scan of the bottom left corner, in the black area of this color touched book listed and sold as unrestored.

I see what appears to be a crease line that is colored black, right below the leftmost foot.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff222/jftetzloff/CornerAV4.jpg

[JohnT]

The ONLY two possibilities expanded:

1) CGC is fraudulently passing trimmed books in blue labels for their buddies, or in league with DD and Geppi on this caper like Greg suggests.

2) CGC is calling them right, and the seller MIGHT or MIGHT not have been DD, but the books may truly be virgins. In ANY case, if I were DD, I would have KNOWN the books were virgins AND previously unknown, and RETAILED them on the Robo handle since Robo guarantees all books, also backing all expenses to grade them if wrong. They would have sold for CONSIDERABLY more than $200,000, the exposure woud have been great, and they would have graded problem free like everything else that comes through Robo it seems.
Do Matt's actions with this collection sound like Wiley Coyote?
Matt was just a guy off the street that found some great previously undiscovered books. It's happened before, and it still happens, with decreasing frequency as time goes by.

These are the only 2 possibilities, IMO. And I tend to lean toward #2. Given all the details and seeing the results of the Action 7 and Superman 2, Greg was 0 for 2 on the books being trimmed, and Matt being DD. Makes absloutely no sense. If you disagree, please state why.

I don't agree that these are the only two possibilities. And I'm not sure that Robo could just auction off a Tec 27, Supes 2, Action 7 and MF 52 on Ebay and get good money on them, so the idea of selling them at wholesale may not be completely out of the question. And if he worked on some of them, the best bet might have been to secretly unload them somewhere off the beaten track, to a somewhat green dealer, where he could at least get $200,00, which after all is not chump change.

So, some other scenarios:

3) The books are linked to DD (whether or not he is Matt), and they are expertly worked on, so to the uninitiated (everyone but DD) it is an open question whether some of the books are clean or not. Therefore CGC may have blue slabbed a few of them in good faith, but it is as yet undetermined what exactly that stack of books is, where it came from, and which ones are worked on, because it's just too tough to tell. I would imagine that CGC needs positive evidence of tampering to doom a book to a purple label, and if they can't find that, they have no choice but to put it in blue. They don't have an option of "undetermined."

4) The books are not linked to DD, but they are a hodge-podge of books, some clean and some not. We basically have no hard information about them, as the attic story is called into question by some resto, and there is no alternative explanation of the provenance of the books.

5) Charlton Guy is really DD, and the Corral is an elaborate ruse to allow DD to run amok. (Just kidding CG, don't ban me!)

In all seriousness, I have not decided which scenario I think is accurate, but from the beginning I've been leaning toward Danny's #2 scenario, that the books are a previously unknown collection of clean books. Maybe I'm just a romantic who believes that dreams do come true!

[The Charlton Guy]

I don't agree that these are the only two possibilities. And I'm not sure that Robo could just auction off a Tec 27, Supes 2, Action 7 and MF 52 on Ebay and get good money on them, so the idea of selling them at wholesale may not be completely out of the question. And if he worked on some of them, the best bet might have been to secretly unload them somewhere off the beaten track, to a somewhat green dealer, where he could at least get $200,00, which after all is not chump change.

So, some other scenarios:

3) The books are linked to DD (whether or not he is Matt), and they are expertly worked on, so to the uninitiated (everyone but DD) it is an open question whether some of the books are clean or not. Therefore CGC may have blue slabbed a few of them in good faith, but it is as yet undetermined what exactly that stack of books is, where it came from, and which ones are worked on, because it's just too tough to tell. I would imagine that CGC needs positive evidence of tampering to doom a book to a purple label, and if they can't find that, they have no choice but to put it in blue. They don't have an option of "undetermined."

4) The books are not linked to DD, but they are a hodge-podge of books, some clean and some not. We basically have no hard information about them, as the attic story is called into question by some resto, and there is no alternative explanation of the provenance of the books.

5) Charlton Guy is really DD, and the Corral is an elaborate ruse to allow DD to run amok. (Just kidding CG, don't ban me!)

In all seriousness, I have not decided which scenario I think is accurate, but from the beginning I've been leaning toward Danny's #2 scenario, that the books are a previously unknown collection of clean books. Maybe I'm just a romantic who believes that dreams do come true!

I vote for option #5...#oldie#

[flyingdonut]

I don't agree that these are the only two possibilities. And I'm not sure that Robo could just auction off a Tec 27, Supes 2, Action 7 and MF 52 on Ebay and get good money on them, so the idea of selling them at wholesale may not be completely out of the question. And if he worked on some of them, the best bet might have been to secretly unload them somewhere off the beaten track, to a somewhat green dealer, where he could at least get $200,00, which after all is not chump change.

So, some other scenarios:

3) The books are linked to DD (whether or not he is Matt), and they are expertly worked on, so to the uninitiated (everyone but DD) it is an open question whether some of the books are clean or not. Therefore CGC may have blue slabbed a few of them in good faith, but it is as yet undetermined what exactly that stack of books is, where it came from, and which ones are worked on, because it's just too tough to tell. I would imagine that CGC needs positive evidence of tampering to doom a book to a purple label, and if they can't find that, they have no choice but to put it in blue. They don't have an option of "undetermined."

4) The books are not linked to DD, but they are a hodge-podge of books, some clean and some not. We basically have no hard information about them, as the attic story is called into question by some resto, and there is no alternative explanation of the provenance of the books.

5) Charlton Guy is really DD, and the Corral is an elaborate ruse to allow DD to run amok. (Just kidding CG, don't ban me!)

In all seriousness, I have not decided which scenario I think is accurate, but from the beginning I've been leaning toward Danny's #2 scenario, that the books are a previously unknown collection of clean books. Maybe I'm just a romantic who believes that dreams do come true!

6) Greg Eide, who has been the undisputed king of Western Pennsylvania for 35 years, fucked up, and lowballed an offer to a person who walked in the store with fabulous books. That person had an inkling of what the books were worth, and was insulted by the offer.

The seller went to the NEXT guy, Todd McDevitt, who is a rising star out there with five retail stores and a growing presence nationally on the convention circuit. Todd paid what the guys price was, and made a giant profit on the books.

Eide, who now doesn't want to be known as "the moron who passed on a half million dollars" as well as being "the fucker in Pittsburgh who doesn't pay anything for real books" starts a thread on the CGC message boards on the first night of Megacon, when all the people who could reasonably dispute his account are in Orlando in a driving rainstorm drinking.

Eide continues to blast Todd's purchase, bringing in the great boogeyman Dupcak into the discussion, and slamming CGC, Geppi, Dave Anderson, and others. This has the great bonus of taking 1) the onus off of him 2) raising doubts on all the books - enough so that Todd's Detective 27 is now very suspect in the marketplace (don't believe me? Go to the CGC threads about it) and 3) making it seem like Eide is the good guy.

Of course, this is just a possiblity, but there's an awful lot of people who'd need to be in on the "conspiracy" for it to work, and you'd think something would shave slipped by now.

[AceVentura]

I see what appears to be a crease line that is colored black, right below the leftmost foot.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff222/jftetzloff/CornerAV4.jpg


Very good. Unmistakably DETECTABLE color touch on scans are usually cases such as this, where the paper is quite evidently broken, yet the color remains, which is impossible.

[JohnT]

6) Greg Eide, who has been the undisputed king of Western Pennsylvania for 35 years, fucked up, and lowballed an offer to a person who walked in the store with fabulous books. That person had an inkling of what the books were worth, and was insulted by the offer.

The seller went to the NEXT guy, Todd McDevitt, who is a rising star out there with five retail stores and a growing presence nationally on the convention circuit. Todd paid what the guys price was, and made a giant profit on the books.

Eide, who now doesn't want to be known as "the moron who passed on a half million dollars" as well as being "the fucker in Pittsburgh who doesn't pay anything for real books" starts a thread on the CGC message boards on the first night of Megacon, when all the people who could reasonably dispute his account are in Orlando in a driving rainstorm drinking.

Eide continues to blast Todd's purchase, bringing in the great boogeyman Dupcak into the discussion, and slamming CGC, Geppi, Dave Anderson, and others. This has the great bonus of taking 1) the onus off of him 2) raising doubts on all the books - enough so that Todd's Detective 27 is now very suspect in the marketplace (don't believe me? Go to the CGC threads about it) and 3) making it seem like Eide is the good guy.

Of course, this is just a possiblity, but there's an awful lot of people who'd need to be in on the "conspiracy" for it to work, and you'd think something would shave slipped by now.


:mrgreen: Danny's #2 embellished!

[AceVentura]

I vote for option #5...#oldie#

Then #5 it is! :D It's the ONLY explanation. CG/DD with the 71 books in Greg's store. Another case solved on the Corral. #allhailme#

Glad I could help wrap this one up.

And it's nothing short of a miracle, considering that with General Electric stock down 13%, there's a serious shortage of all those lightbulbs that go off over everybody's head when they get a bright idea. #woohoo#

[AceVentura]

6) Greg Eide, who has been the undisputed king of Western Pennsylvania for 35 years, fucked up, and lowballed an offer to a person who walked in the store with fabulous books. That person had an inkling of what the books were worth, and was insulted by the offer.

The seller went to the NEXT guy, Todd McDevitt, who is a rising star out there with five retail stores and a growing presence nationally on the convention circuit. Todd paid what the guys price was, and made a giant profit on the books.

Eide, who now doesn't want to be known as "the moron who passed on a half million dollars" as well as being "the fucker in Pittsburgh who doesn't pay anything for real books" starts a thread on the CGC message boards on the first night of Megacon, when all the people who could reasonably dispute his account are in Orlando in a driving rainstorm drinking.

Eide continues to blast Todd's purchase, bringing in the great boogeyman Dupcak into the discussion, and slamming CGC, Geppi, Dave Anderson, and others. This has the great bonus of taking 1) the onus off of him 2) raising doubts on all the books - enough so that Todd's Detective 27 is now very suspect in the marketplace (don't believe me? Go to the CGC threads about it) and 3) making it seem like Eide is the good guy.

Of course, this is just a possiblity, but there's an awful lot of people who'd need to be in on the "conspiracy" for it to work, and you'd think something would shave slipped by now.

Best SERIOUS explanation yet.

[JohnT]

Very good. Unmistakably DETECTABLE color touch on scans are usually cases such as this, where the paper is quite evidently broken, yet the color remains, which is impossible.

Well, color remaining in a crease wouldn't be impossible, right? That would be a Non-Color-Breaking crease or bend. The problem with this crease is the line is darker than the rest of the black. If the colorist had managed to match the color and texture of the surrounding black, it might have worked. Or am I off base?

[djpinkpanther67]

Best SERIOUS explanation yet.
THAT's the version I'm thinking happened #woohoo#

[JohnT]

Then #5 it is! :D It's the ONLY explanation. CG/DD with the 71 books in Greg's store. Another case solved on the Corral. #allhailme#

Glad I could help wrap this one up.

And it's nothing short of a miracle, considering that with General Electric stock down 13%, there's a serious shortage of all those lightbulbs that go off over everybody's head when they get a bright idea. #woohoo#

:idea:
:)

[The Charlton Guy]

6) Greg Eide, who has been the undisputed king of Western Pennsylvania for 35 years, fucked up, and lowballed an offer to a person who walked in the store with fabulous books. That person had an inkling of what the books were worth, and was insulted by the offer.

The seller went to the NEXT guy, Todd McDevitt, who is a rising star out there with five retail stores and a growing presence nationally on the convention circuit. Todd paid what the guys price was, and made a giant profit on the books.

Eide, who now doesn't want to be known as "the moron who passed on a half million dollars" as well as being "the fucker in Pittsburgh who doesn't pay anything for real books" starts a thread on the CGC message boards on the first night of Megacon, when all the people who could reasonably dispute his account are in Orlando in a driving rainstorm drinking.

Eide continues to blast Todd's purchase, bringing in the great boogeyman Dupcak into the discussion, and slamming CGC, Geppi, Dave Anderson, and others. This has the great bonus of taking 1) the onus off of him 2) raising doubts on all the books - enough so that Todd's Detective 27 is now very suspect in the marketplace (don't believe me? Go to the CGC threads about it) and 3) making it seem like Eide is the good guy.

Of course, this is just a possiblity, but there's an awful lot of people who'd need to be in on the "conspiracy" for it to work, and you'd think something would shave slipped by now.

#clap#


Can I change my vote? #oldie#

[flyingdonut]

thanks! and cool, there's no profanity filter here! I can say bad words! #woohoo#

[The Charlton Guy]

Watch it...Hoss is the profanity filter...

Seriously, we do try to avoid George Carlin's list, but in general, as long as it's in context and out of the General Area, it's cool. As long as it doesn't get out of hand.

We do have kids who come on Board (including my own), so we try and keep it somewhat "clean" and civil regardless of what Area it's in.

We don't really have any stated rules about profanity or any other means of discourse, it's just common sense stuff.

"Lecture" over...

Christ, I feel like Arch all of a sudden...:?

[flyingdonut]

#angelic#

okley dokley.

[The Charlton Guy]

And if you don't like it? Go fist yourself! :D

[The Charlton Guy]

JUUUUUST kidding!

[AceVentura]

Well, color remaining in a crease wouldn't be impossible, right? That would be a Non-Color-Breaking crease or bend. The problem with this crease is the line is darker than the rest of the black. If the colorist had managed to match the color and texture of the surrounding black, it might have worked. Or am I off base?

That's correct and since the CENTER or furrow of crease is a different TEXTURE as the GLOSSY surrounding area, it's fairly obvious that the color was replaced but no the gloss. Any crease that would have broken or frayed the paper sufficiently to be THAT visible on a SCAN to the degree this one is would have broken the surface layer of color.

[MrBedrock]

Do you agree that trim on these books CANNOT be positively determined by merely lining them up for comparative sizing?
Personally, I am a fan of trim.....

As far as old funny-books are concerned, it is possible to get a general idea by doing a side by side comparison, but to answer your question - no, you can't say definitively that size determines whether or not a book has been trimmed.

[Burntboy]

hey, i just need ten posts so i can send brad a PM.........

[AceVentura]

Personally, I am a fan of trim.....

As far as old funny-books are concerned, it is possible to get a general idea by doing a side by side comparison, but to answer your question - no, you can't say definitively that size determines whether or not a book has been trimmed.

IMO, this is what threw poor Greg for a loop. Too much comparison. Most More Fun #52s will actually be closer to the norm for early SILVER age size than the norm for associated with Super Golden age size. They're ALL minis size-compared to other DC books issued the same month. Why this is, I have no idea.

The cover art layout doesn't help either. Like ADVENTURE #40, MF 52s always look like somebody trimmed off part of the artwork.

Sort of the same effect on FF #12s where the comic code is positioned in the artwork so far to the right, that unless it's wrapped (centered) with the cover art shifting around the back cover's spine to a large degree, part of the code is ALWAYS cut off, giving most of them a falsely trimmed look.

[bugsy]

Im not sure if we will really ever get to the bottom of this and Eides definitely need to come in and say something although i can sympathise with his priorities and whats more important. One thing that does puzzle me however is why didnt the seller send the books to CGC himself. After all we have seen what some of them have sold for already and we all know the importance of a blue labelled detective #27 and what price it would command. Im sure the seller must have looked at the price guide to determine what he would want for them and must have come across CGC. How many of us here if they were to go up into the attic right now and find the same sort of books would take them to a comic shop owner to sell them. Ive discussed this with other collectors and had a few different answers with the top answer being send them in to CGC, which is personally what i would do, but not one of them has said they would sell them to a comicshop owner.

[thirdgreenham]

Personally, I am a fan of trim.....


;)

[thirdgreenham]

Im not sure if we will really ever get to the bottom of this and Eides definitely need to come in and say something although i can sympathise with his priorities and whats more important. One thing that does puzzle me however is why didnt the seller send the books to CGC himself. After all we have seen what some of them have sold for already and we all know the importance of a blue labelled detective #27 and what price it would command. Im sure the seller must have looked at the price guide to determine what he would want for them and must have come across CGC. How many of us here if they were to go up into the attic right now and find the same sort of books would take them to a comic shop owner to sell them. Ive discussed this with other collectors and had a few different answers with the top answer being send them in to CGC, which is personally what i would do, but not one of them has said they would sell them to a comicshop owner.

It would great if Eides could clear some questions up with some actual proof. I can understand as well that he's busy, but he sure was posting with great frequency before Ace Ventura came on for this one-week posting marathon.

If this Matt guy really is some average dude, it's very likely that he's never heard of CGC or third-party grading. If we found these books in an attic, would we send them off to CGC? Most likely, if we could afford to, then yes.

I'd say that if Eides has a security camera in his store, then it's a dummy. If the camera system is up and running, then we would have seen a picture or video of this Matt guy (DD?) in his store a long time ago.

My 2 cents

Andy

[AceVentura]

Im not sure if we will really ever get to the bottom of this and Eides definitely need to come in and say something although i can sympathise with his priorities and whats more important. One thing that does puzzle me however is why didnt the seller send the books to CGC himself. After all we have seen what some of them have sold for already and we all know the importance of a blue labelled detective #27 and what price it would command. Im sure the seller must have looked at the price guide to determine what he would want for them and must have come across CGC. How many of us here if they were to go up into the attic right now and find the same sort of books would take them to a comic shop owner to sell them. Ive discussed this with other collectors and had a few different answers with the top answer being send them in to CGC, which is personally what i would do, but not one of them has said they would sell them to a comicshop owner.

Maybe he overestimated Greg's desire and resources to make a FITTING offer on the collection. Greg could have been his first stop.

If the seller was LOOKING for a quick $200,000, maybe NEEDED fast cash right then and there without delay, even with minimum hobby knowledge, he probably ASSUMED that a store owner would GLADLY pay his price for those books.

Greg probably not only mistook the books for trimmed, but mistakenly interpreted "Matt's" suspicious behavoir for bewilderment that a supposed seasoned comic dealer would try playing "Footsy" with him by lowballing hoim on such an important group of books.

Even if you know very little, you don't expect someone to try convincing you that it's a hunk of glass when they bring you the Hope diamond on a platter for a wholesale price!

After reading the Overstreet values, Matt was probably aghast when Greg was writing down figures on paper, Action 7 = $4000, Det 27 = $33,000.

You don't spit in someone's face like that who is offering you a collection like that for a VERY fair wholesale price. Even if you're a tightwad who refuses to pay more than 10 wholesale cents on the retail dollar for merchandise, can you imagine what was running through "Matt's" head when Greg started writing down his grades, calling everything trimmed, and putting ridiculously low values on everything? Matt was probably thinking, "WTF?".

Even if you're used to trying to STEAL everything that walks into your shop off of the street, you DON'T try to finesse someone out of a collection like this and risk it walking out. The seller says a price, and you cut to the chase. You don't even have go through the motions of grading and pricing everything. Once the seller says, "$200,000, you look at the money makers and say to yourself, "Even if I only get $200,000 on the Action 7, the Det 27, and the MF 52, the OTHER 68 books are PURE PROFIT and you PAY THE MAN!! You don't 'F' with him and risk ticking him off.

You save that "if I have to pay decently for it, I'll pass, and if I can get it for NOTHING, I'll buy it" mentality and FORGET about it on a group of books like this and NOT look a gift horse in the mouth. :(

[JohnT]

One thing that does puzzle me however is why didnt the seller send the books to CGC himself.

Probably because Eide told him everything was trimmed. That whole scene must have been slow torture, with this dealer downgrading his big find. He was probaly totally confused, with thoughts that he was being taken, and at the end of it he probably just wanted to get out of there and clear his head.

After thinking about it he probably did start to worry that there was something wrong with the books, and might have concluded that he needed to unload them and get whatever he could. When Todd offered $200,000, he jumped and was glad to get it.

So, ironically, Eide may have helped make the sale to Todd easier...and cheaper for Todd!

All speculation of course...

[mordo]

One thing that does puzzle me however is why didnt the seller send the books to CGC himself.

Exactly. If this were an actual conspiracy involving Dupcak, Geppi, and CGC, why would any of them want to involve Greg and Todd? Greg, with all due respect, for your theory to be correct, I think it would make more sense for them to quietly conduct the transactions among themselves and not involve any extra people.

[bugsy]

Probably because Eide told him everything was trimmed. That whole scene must have been slow torture, with this dealer downgrading his big find. He was probaly totally confused, with thoughts that he was being taken, and at the end of it he probably just wanted to get out of there and clear his head.

After thinking about it he probably did start to worry that there was something wrong with the books, and might have concluded that he needed to unload them and get whatever he could. When Todd offered $200,000, he jumped and was glad to get it.

So, ironically, Eide may have helped make the sale to Todd easier...and cheaper for Todd!

All speculation of course...

A plausible scenario but i was talking about BEFORE he took them down to Eides.

[Eide]

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[Eide]

floridatoytrader

[Eide]

Go Smoke Some Pot With Your Cohort In Crime, Matt Nelson.

[Eide]

Danny asked if I had a license plate #.

[JohnT]

A plausible scenario but i was talking about BEFORE he took them down to Eides.

Oh, I get it. You're talking about why even approach a dealer. I guess I'd build on what Mordo just said...it doesn't make economic sense for anyone to sell books of that caliber wholesale to a dealer, but this guy did just that, and it seems to me the most likely person to do it that way is someone who is ignorant about the comic market, not someone who is familiar with it (like Dupack).

[MrBedrock]

Go Smoke Some Pot With Your Cohort In Crime, Matt Nelson.
Great response, oh bitter one! It must really get under your skin that Todd runs a better store than you, is a nicer guy than you, and has more money to spend than you. It certainly makes the fact that you low-balled an offer and can't deal with it that much easier to believe.
Stop perpetuating a myth and get back to trying to make your silly funny-book store viable. Maybe then you might have enough to pay real money for a collection to one of your valued customers.

Oh, and a hint...stop bagging all of your trade paperbacks. If people can look through them they might be more inclined to buy them. That is how bookstores do it.

[Eide]

Since 1999 selling some of the Fantazia 100.000 records . He likes to reshrink LPs and sell them as still sealed . Gets at least 2x price. You open it ,no return. Shrik wrap has a "Ewert tell". Likes to shill and shill buy his own goods to create new plateau prices. Pg.43 feeddback Velvet Underground sold for $3.700 (books for less than $500) on 2/27 to wjclinton42. Dan Dupcak/Bob Djukic DannyDupcak/wjclinton42. What works in the comic market ,works just as well in other markets. Actually better in records , cause record collectors , compared to comic collectors are way behind on catching scammers.

[AceVentura]

Since 1999 selling some of the Fantazia 100.000 records . He likes to reshrink LPs and sell them as still sealed . Gets at least 2x price. You open it ,no return. Shrik wrap has a "Ewert tell". Likes to shill and shill buy his own goods to create new plateau prices. Pg.43 feeddback Velvet Underground sold for $3.700 (books for less than $500) on 2/27 to wjclinton42. Dan Dupcak/Bob Djukic DannyDupcak/wjclinton42. What works in the comic market ,works just as well in other markets. Actually better in records , cause record collectors , compared to comic collectors are way behind on catching scammers.

So Dupcak is currently in the RECORD market too? :mad:

We're ALL doomed! :(

[AceVentura]

Danny asked if I had a license plate #.

Danny didn't ask you anything about a license plate. I did. You never answered if you had a plate number or car make and model of Matt's ride.

I assume that Matt drove to your store.

In your estimation, public enemy #1, the scourge of all collectibles, Hannibal the Cannibal walks into your store, spends three hours with you and you don't send one of your employees out to note which cars and their license plates might be his? And then watch when he leaves to see which one he drives away in?

You don't try to take some pictures of the books and maybe "accidentally" catch him in some of the photos also??

You don't make sure that you position him so the surveillance camera catches him square in the kisser?

Can you describe Matt, his face, his complexion, any markings/tattoos/piercings, his voice, his clothes, his height... ANYTHING about Matt other than to say he "looked like DD with plastic surgery and blonde hair"?

Did you ever meet DD, face to face, prior to recognizing him in your store?

Mind you, I don't doubt your sincerity. You're spot on about some of the dynamics in this hobby, but muddying your own waters with unsubstantiated nonsense, that you COULD have better substantiated. IMO you probably honestly believe Matt was DD, but I'm just very surprised that suspecting this, you wouldn't have taken some kind of steps as outlined above given the length of time Matt/DD was in your store.

[AceVentura]

Go Smoke Some Pot With Your Cohort In Crime, Matt Nelson.

Greg, what services do Matt Nelson offer that CHRIS FREISEN hasn't performed secretly right at CGC for YEARS (and probably still does) for select "insiders"?? :(

Not that it's right. It's just done under the umbrella of acceptibility.

[JohnT]

Danny didn't ask you anything about a license plate. I did. You never answered if you had a plate number or car make and model of Matt's ride.

I assume that Matt drove to your store.

In your estimation, public enemy #1, the scourge of all collectibles, Hannibal the Cannibal walks into your store, spends three hours with you and you don't send one of your employees out to note which cars and their license plates might be his? And then watch when he leaves to see which one he drives away in?

You don't try to take some pictures of the books and maybe "accidentally" catch him in some of the photos also??

You don't make sure that you position him so the surveillance camera catches him square in the kisser?

Can you describe Matt, his face, his complexion, any markings/tattoos/piercings, his voice, his clothes, his height... ANYTHING about Matt other than to say he "looked like DD with plastic surgery and blonde hair"?

Did you ever meet DD, face to face, prior to recognizing him in your store?

Mind you, I don't doubt your sincerity. You're spot on about some of the dynamics in this hobby, but muddying your own waters with unsubstantiated nonsense, that you COULD have better substantiated. IMO you probably honestly believe Matt was DD, but I'm just very surprised that suspecting this, you wouldn't have taken some kind of steps as outlined above given the length of time Matt/DD was in your store.

I believe Eide has said in the past that he didn't know it was Dupack at the time, but he and his staff recognized him when shown a picture. One of the things we're waiting to hear is who showed him a picture. He's hinted that he or others undertook an investigation of the whole matter after this all was made public. Not clear about that though.

[AceVentura]

I believe Eide has said in the past that he didn't know it was Dupack at the time, but he and his staff recognized him when shown a picture. One of the things we're waiting to hear is who showed him a picture. He's hinted that he or others undertook an investigation of the whole matter after this all was made public. Not clear about that though.

Since he felt a crime was attempted at his store, and he didn't have the inclination to buy the collection, why didn't he simply call his local police, or have one of his employees call the police sometime during the 3 hours Matt was there??

They could have cleared up the matter of Matt's identity alot better than he could.

[AceVentura]

I believe Eide has said in the past that he didn't know it was Dupack at the time, but he and his staff recognized him when shown a picture. One of the things we're waiting to hear is who showed him a picture. He's hinted that he or others undertook an investigation of the whole matter after this all was made public. Not clear about that though.

The correct time for investigating it was WHILE Matt was IN his store. During those 3 hours. He should have investigated the books more thoroughly too!

[AceVentura]

Greg, That's what make and year I thought you'd say, and what the Motor Vehicle records show, which are easy to access on line, let me ask you something. Hannibal is looking to move books on the sly. He's being so secretive about this that he's gotten plastic surgery and bleached his hair blonde (and I believe you said got hair-plugs at one point?).

He's willing to take a $500,000 retail hit broadside on a $750,000 group of books by selling them for $200,000 to remain "under-cover" and he didn't RENT A CAR???? Hannibal, the Tzar of Trim, the King of Deceit, the Rajah of Rip-off, the Fox of Fraud, the undisputed Duke of Deception and Milk of Magnesia drove up in his own car, sporting his license plate???

That seems pretty far-fetched, don't you think? Any experienced crook of HIS magnitude looking to bounce tainted good, hit and run, and remain a mystery man, would have parked in the next town and taken public transportation, or rented a car and I'm nowhere near the evil genius that DD has been credited with being to think of that logic.

If I were DD, the LAST thing I would do is drive up, put my car, registered in my name, right in front of your store or nearby. That sounds like something the Duke of Deception would do?

But you say you actually SAW the car and the license plate with your own eyes? Too bad you didn't have one of the employees, maybe the one that was agreeing with you about the books being trimmed, run out and take a photo of his car parked where it was. He would have been of much better use to you doing that instead of helping you determine trim.

[JohnT]

Greg, That's what make and year I thought you'd say, and what the Motor Vehicle records show, which are easy to access on line, but let me ask you something. Hannibal is looking to move books on the sly. He's being so secretive about this that he's gotten plastic surgery and bleached his hair blonde (and I believe you said got hair-plugs at one point?).

He's willing to take a $500,000 retail hit broadside on a $750,000 group of books by selling them for $200,000 to remain "under-cover" and he didn't RENT A CAR???? Hannibal, the King of Deceit, the undisputed Duke of Deception drove up in his own car, sporting his license plate???

That seems pretty far-fetched, don't you think? Any experienced crook looking to bounce tainted good and remain a mystery man, would have parked in the next town and taken public transportation, or rented a car and I'm nowhere near the evil genius that DD has been credited with being to think of that. If I were DD, the LAST thing I would do is drive up, put my car, registered in my name, right in front of your store or nearby. That sounds like something the Duke of Deception would do?

But you say you actually SAW the car and the license plate with your own eyes?

What is this referring to? The post was pulled. Did Eide say it was a car registered to DD?

[JohnT]

Since he felt a crime was attempted at his store, and he didn't have the inclination to buy the collection, why didn't he simply call his local police, or have one of his employees call the police sometime during the 3 hours Matt was there??

They could have cleared up the matter of Matt's identity alot better than he could.

Like I said, I believe that Eide said he didn't know it was Dupack at the time. And I don't think a dealer who is approached with books that might be trimmed would necessarily call the cops. For one thing it's not illegal to sell trimmed books, and besides I'm not even sure Matt disputed that they were trimmed. As I recall, Eide reports that Matt said something like "Why does everything always happen to me?", as if he was disappointed to find that the books weren't worth as much as he was hoping.

In short, I don't think it's damning to Eide's side that he didn't collect evidence of Dupack's presence at the time. But we're still waiting to hear the rest of the story of that day in his store, why he thinks it was DD, and the actions that were taken afterwards...

[AceVentura]

What is this referring to? The post was pulled. Did Eide say it was a car registered to DD?

He mentioned a brand and year that's correct if you KNOW how to access motor vehicle records, use one of those "find out everything about anyone for $49.95" sites, or have a friend that can access motor vehicle records, meaning ANYONE who has access to those records by way of their job.

I've also read the brand and year of DD's car mentioned a few times on various message boards from various posters.

I'm just raising questions that anyone applying logic should ask.

Like I said, if it turns out that it was DD, and all the books are trimmed, than CGC and Geppi are in on it. In which case, since Greg has inferred that DD has a long standing, clandestine association with Geppi, if that's the case, WHY wouldn't DD go right to Geppi?????

Shorter distance to Baltimore, right? Why involve a middleman? DD goes right to Geppi, they meet in a dark alley so nobody sees the deal, he gives Geppi the books, Geppi gives him an envelope with $200K in it, the next morning the 71 trimmed books are off to Matt Nelson, then off to CGC to be placed in Blue labels and nobody is the wiser.

Nobody else is involved, the trail of the books ICE-COLD.

WHY involve Greg, then Todd? For the heck of it?

Does anyone else but me even think of these things? :?

[JohnT]

He mentioned a brand and year that's correct if you KNOW how to access motor vehicle records, use one of those "find out everything about anyone for $49.95" sites, or have a friend that can access motor vehicle records, meaning ANYONE who has access to those records by way of their job.

I've also read the brand and year of DD's car mentioned a few times on various message boards from various posters.

I'm just raising questions that anyone applying logic should ask.

Like I said, if it turns out that it was DD, and all the books are trimmed, than CGC and Geppi are in on it. In which case, since Greg has inferred that DD has a long standing, clandestine association with Geppi, if that's the case, WHY wouldn't DD go right to Geppi?????

Shorter distance to Baltimore, right? Why involve a middleman? DD goes right to Geppi, they meet in a dark alley so nobody sees the deal, he gives Geppi the books, Geppi gives him an envelope with $200K in it, the next morning the 71 trimmed books are off to Matt Nelson, then off to CGC to be placed in Blue labels and nobody is the wiser.

Nobody else is involved, the trail of the books ICE-COLD.

WHY involve Greg, then Todd? For the heck of it?

Does anyone else but me even think of these things? :?

I don't think anyone's seriously claiming that CGC and others are "in on it" with DD to the extent they'd meet him in a dark alley and buy books from him. I think the conspiracy being floated by Eide (and others?) is that CGC and Heritage give preferential treatment to big clients, and that they would not be above giving these clients a pass (i.e. blue label) on questionable but potentially very valuable books.

For the record, I do not believe that this happens, because I don't have any evidence of it. But I'm an outsider, and I have no idea what goes on at the high-end of our beloved hobby.

[AceVentura]

But I'm an outsider, and I have no idea what goes on at the high-end of our beloved hobby.

Then it's good you don't know what goes on!! Here's a hint: It's the same thing that's been going in the coin hobby for a long, long time. It's even the same people at the top of the heap.

As Eric Streiner was once quoted as saying (talking about coin dealers): We're pure scum! Let us get a hold of your hobby and we'll destroy it by strip mining it. We destroyed our hobby and we'll do the same to yours! When you see us (the coin dealers) getting IN, it's time to get out!! We know all the tricks, and we'll use every one of them to pull the wool over your eyes.

[Eide]

Would you two Danny's please give it a break and let some of the other Danny's speak. Bedrock , why did Todd lie about buying the other 70 books when Geppi freely admitted that Todd took them to Anderson who then took them to Geppi. Why does Todd need YOU to speak for him? I am here as myself, if any of the involved parties want to address me, please advise them to speak for themselves.

[AceVentura]

Would you two Danny's please give it a break and let some of the other Danny's speak. Bedrock , why did Todd lie about buying the other 70 books when Geppi freely admitted that Todd took them to Anderson who then took them to Geppi. Why does Todd need YOU to speak for him? I am here as myself, if any of the involved parties want to address me, please advise them to speak for themselves.

John T. and I are the only two Dannys here?? So aside from we two, this forum is Danny-free? Or are there more Dannys? How many Dannys did you see today? Were there any Dannys in your store today as well as all over Ebay selling books, records, and God knows where else selling what else?

Did you ever see Jacob's Ladder, where Tim Robbins keeps seeing demons everywhere he goes? I hope this isn't the same case where you keep seeing these demons because you died and just aren't aware of it yet! :)

[AceVentura]

I don't think anyone's seriously claiming that CGC and others are "in on it" with DD to the extent they'd meet him in a dark alley and buy books from him. I think the conspiracy being floated by Eide (and others?) is that CGC and Heritage give preferential treatment to big clients, and that they would not be above giving these clients a pass (i.e. blue label) on questionable but potentially very valuable books.

For the record, I do not believe that this happens, because I don't have any evidence of it. But I'm an outsider, and I have no idea what goes on at the high-end of our beloved hobby.

Dupcak, you hornswaggling cork-sucker. :mad:

Isn't it ENOUGH insulting the man's intelligence right in his OWN STORE by offering him your tawdry, trimmed wares and trying to get away with it?

You couldn't fool him in his own house. What stones you have thinking you can come onboard here and try to put one over on Greg. With stones that big, HOW do you keep your pants up, John T./Dupcak? :)

[JohnT]

Would you two Danny's please give it a break and let some of the other Danny's speak. Bedrock , why did Todd lie about buying the other 70 books when Geppi freely admitted that Todd took them to Anderson who then took them to Geppi. Why does Todd need YOU to speak for him? I am here as myself, if any of the involved parties want to address me, please advise them to speak for themselves.

Talking yourself into thinking I'm Danny doesn't exactly add credibility to your claim that Matt was Danny! :p

[Eide]

the_almighty_goins selling a plod 9.2 AF#15 as "no restoration at all". "Daniel" Goins fishing for "ass clowns".

[AceVentura]

the_almighty_goins selling a plod 9.2 AF#15 as "no restoration at all". "Daniel" Goins fishing for "ass clowns".

Listing 220223315838:

On Apr-13-08 at 09:11:50 PDT, seller added the following information:

CORRECTION
There has been moderate restoration to the book. The person that sold it to me said that there was no restoration, sorry I didn't examine further.
Thank you to those were were patient and ask questions and helped me realize there was a mistake.

*******************************

Well, if nothing else, Danny sure respects YOU changing his listing like that once you outed him!!

You have a unique gift, just like me! I can spot angle trimmed books in blue label slabs instantly. You can spot Dupcak, right through his many guises. Matt couldn't fool you, I couldn't fool you, John T. gave it go and HE couldn't fool you, at one point, even CG couldn't fool you. This Bob Dudjik can't fool you, and not even Dupcak's new identity, the_almighty_goins can pull the woolen Dupe-sack over your eyes!

I think I spotted him today too. In the park, following me. Is this his latest disguise?:

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[AceVentura]

Talking yourself into thinking I'm Danny doesn't exactly add credibility to your claim that Matt was Danny! :p

That's too bad! CG's silence on this issue is DEAFENING! Another carefully constructed Danny alias is BUSTED!!!

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[The Charlton Guy]

That's too bad! CG's silence on this issue is DEAFENING! Another carefully constructed Danny alias is BUSTED!!!

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No, my absolute indifference on this issue is deafening. :?

[Capitalrecoveryman]

Bummer, every time this thread starts making sense to a simple feller like myself, it steers back into Twin Peaks speak again.

[MrBedrock]

Bedrock , Why does Todd need YOU to speak for him? I am here as myself, if any of the involved parties want to address me, please advise them to speak for themselves.
I would never speak for Todd. I am speaking for myself when I say to you that you are obviously bitter that you missed out on an opportunity solely because you tried to take advantage of a situation. You offered too little, the guy walked to your competitor, your competitor offered more, and a sale was completed. End of story!
Except it isn't...you have to rain on your competitor's parade because you can't stand all the attention it has brought him. Instead of admitting your mistake, you have to make out like it is someone else's. It isn't. Todd bought some great books. He sold some of them and made a profit (I was always told that you can't go broke making a profit). He kept the big ticket book for himself. There is no great mystery in that. No Illuminati, no alien mind control, no Danny Dupcak, no CGC-Geppi-Anderson cartel. Just one guy who wasn't smart enough to offer a reasonable amount and one guy who was.

[djpinkpanther67]

I would never speak for Todd. I am speaking for myself when I say to you that you are obviously bitter that you missed out on an opportunity solely because you tried to take advantage of a situation. You offered too little, the guy walked to your competitor, your competitor offered more, and a sale was completed. End of story!
Except it isn't...you have to rain on your competitor's parade because you can't stand all the attention it has brought him. Instead of admitting your mistake, you have to make out like it is someone else's. It isn't. Todd bought some great books. He sold some of them and made a profit (I was always told that you can't go broke making a profit). He kept the big ticket book for himself. There is no great mystery in that. No Illuminati, no alien mind control, no Danny Dupcak, no CGC-Geppi-Anderson cartel. Just one guy who wasn't smart enough to offer a reasonable amount and one guy who was.
Amen Richard!#clap#

[AceVentura]

I would never speak for Todd. I am speaking for myself when I say to you that you are obviously bitter that you missed out on an opportunity solely because you tried to take advantage of a situation. You offered too little, the guy walked to your competitor, your competitor offered more, and a sale was completed. End of story!
Except it isn't...you have to rain on your competitor's parade because you can't stand all the attention it has brought him. Instead of admitting your mistake, you have to make out like it is someone else's. It isn't. Todd bought some great books. He sold some of them and made a profit (I was always told that you can't go broke making a profit). He kept the big ticket book for himself. There is no great mystery in that. No Illuminati, no alien mind control, no Danny Dupcak, no CGC-Geppi-Anderson cartel. Just one guy who wasn't smart enough to offer a reasonable amount and one guy who was.

http://www.kansas-bingo.com/topeka/topeka-bingo.jpg

Although Alien Mind control was my next choice:

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Now that the mystery has been explained, one question remains:

WHO threw those pies? WHO was Paul A.??

[JohnT]

Now that the mystery has been explained, one question remains:

WHO threw those pies? WHO was Paul A.??

You seem a little anxious to close the case! #flash#

Could it be?

I still think Eide might come through with the story, and who knows, he might have some evidence. After all, all we in this thread have is speculation about an event we didn't witness.

Although I admit his endless delays are wearing thin...

[AceVentura]

You seem a little anxious to close the case! #flash#

Could it be?

I still think Eide might come through with the story, and who knows, he might have some evidence. After all, all we in this thread have is speculation about an event we didn't witness.

Although I admit his endless delays are wearing thin...

Not at all anxious!! I just think it's slightly disapponting when the star witness, who identified DD as the guy in his store (who probably wasn't DD), with books the witness identified as trimmed (that probably weren't trimmed), driving a car that he identified (but probably didn't see) is on the witness stand and starts pointing around the room identifying people at random as DD also.

I think even the most optimistic of prosecuting attorneys would be hesitant to put alot of weight on his witness' testimony if he keeps pointing at EVERYONE in the room as Dupcak.

Personally, I hope it turns out to be DD, and SOMEBODY nails that coxswain for what he did to Greg. What a nerve! Showing up in Greg's store, trying to play the man for a fool, by bouncing trimmed books on him that are all grading blue. He should swing for it!

[skiw]

no CGC-Geppi-Anderson cartel

Although unlikely, I would not doubt it based on the rumors that the Dentist was the source of the fake Mile Highs (see thread on the CGC boards) and any mention of that topic is considered taboo. Look at how many people told the people asking questions to drop it (both on the thread and via PM). Let's face it, the high rollers in the industry will protect their own (see how many kept silent with the bluechip Action #1 scam). As much as I would like to pick up GA keys in the future, I am thinking that it is better to play it safe with HG SA and BA keys as 1) CGC nails them for restoration and 2) there are likely to be more unrestored (especially in the case of BA books) than restored copies available. Being an outsider in the GA market, it appears that a lot of the key/pedigree books have had some work done on them at one point or another so it is definitely buyer beware. :(

And for the record, I am not DD and was not even aware of him (or Ewert) until joining the CGC boards. Luckily, I was outbid on all of the Ewert auctions I went after on eBay through the years!

[MasterChief]

That's unfortunate. I'm here to help by making valid, factual points based on invaluable knowledge in all probability far and beyond anyone in the hobby with very few exceptions. I doubt there's anyone that can really dispute that. Not if you read my St.Louis and CPG posts, all of which were written 2 to 5 years prior to Master Chief's "Manufactured Gold" thread. Plus I have exhibited a definite ability to identify angle trimmed books within the blue label slab from scans alone, something most say "Can't be done".

There many valid points made here by George, and many false ones that George thinks are true, but simply aren't, and those false ones are muddying the VALID points he's making about the dynamics and politics of this hobby amongst the higher ups. I would think that you would want to stick around and see what unfolds if I can in some way help him organize the fact from fiction and maybe contribute as well.

BTW, Hello Everybody!!
Dick, since we are currently at an intermission, perhaps it's a good time for you to expound on the aspects of Eide's story that you deem credible. For example the bigger picture... or as you put it, "the dynamics and politics of this hobby amongst the higher ups".

Thx in advance.

:goodread:

[AceVentura]

Dick, since we are currently at an intermission, perhaps it's a good time for you to expound on the aspects of Eide's story that you deem credible. For example the bigger picture... or as you put it, "the dynamics and politics of this hobby amongst the higher ups".

Thx in advance.

:goodread:

We got away from that, but I will take the time later today to go over all of what I believe to be Greg's FACTUAL statements, or statements that although not absolutely proven, the evidence seems to support.

[AceVentura]

Also, Masterchief has expressed an interest in seeing my 2003 to 2006 posts from CPG and StLouis forums which were all along the lines of his later, exceptionally enlightening "Manufactured Gold" thread.

Would you (the forumites/administrators/etc.) like me to copy the IMPORTANT content of the text from those posts, right here on this forum, either in this thread or a new separate thread?

IMO, they're very interesting reads considering alot of hobby dynamics that have eventually come to light in the past few years and the future to come. I think they're beneficial to whomever seeks hobby knowledge and even if viewed with skepticism, might influence open-minded individuals to investigate on their own to draw their own lucid observations and conclusions, as Master has done.

Let me know and I'll be happy to get started sharing this with all. You won't be disappointed!

[Eide]

Around July 2001 I opened an account with CGC with the intent of dissolving my collection which I had begun in 1970 and had continually upgraded thru the purchases of my store founded 3/18/72. The store was losing its current location due to a change in landlords and having lost two prior locations for that same reason, I was tired of paying rent and having my locations sold out from under me. I sold my home and started to sell my collection in order to purchase the building next door.

I sold my Daredevils to a long time customer prior to opening my CGC account. My DD #1 was a beautiful flat glossy immaculate copy. My customer returned it to me saying he thought it was trimmed. I refunded his money. The book was noticeably shorter when sized against other copies. The book was sent to CGC and came back, I believe 9.4 PLOD bottom trimmed. Perhaps a Danny time bomb that had made its way into my collection thru some customer who had dealt with Fantazia. We left it in the purple label and after a prolonged period we sold it for $800 (?) when 9.4's were getting $6,000 (?) Maybe Danny bought it.

The long slow process of pregrading, CGCing and eBay auctioning my Marvels, late Silver Age DC's, miscellaneous and a lot of choice Golden Age stretched from late 2001 thru late 2004. Those years, coincided with the highest level of CGC fever when the Comics Buyer's Guide gave weekly CGC market reports that had 9.8 at NM + 1150% and 9.6 at NM + 615%. In one year alone we did in excess of $210,000 on eBay sales not including all the off eBay sales; Amazing Spider-man #1 (9.0) $26,000 and Amazing Fantasy #15 (9.0) to Metropolis for $40,000. All of this activity was noted as income on our books, no Red Melvin chicanery here, and taken notice by Danny Dupcak.





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When I got to my Hulks, I realized that I had another time bomb in my collection. I recalled acquiring a Hulk #1 from a customer who pawned it to the store to get more than the going rate. The customer said he bought it out of NY and would come back to claim it in a couple of weeks. He never came back. Size comparing it out of the mylar, it was obviously shorter. I sent it in to CGC fully aware of its fate. It came back 9.0 PLOD moderate (P), cleaned, top and bottom trimmed, color touch, seals ; the full Danny. In retrospect, I think CGC missed what appears from the scan to be right edge cover trim to remove Marvel chipping; right edge cover is quite short and has leftover evidence of Marvel chipping or poor cutting. We left the book in the PLOD and ultimately sold it for $1,000 (?) Did you buy it back Danny?





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If there were any other surprises in my collection, neither I nor CGC caught them. I was totally unaware of color touch, pressing, cleaning or Danny Dupcak at the time and soley reliant on CGC's opinion. If anything slipped by me or CGC, it was not because of the secret handshake. To my knowledge, the grades I got were deserved and the result of over thirty years of upgrading from store purchases. Did Danny see any more of his work in blue labels, I do not know?

On 4/17/03 we sent Tales To Astonish #41 (8.5) and Strange Tales #115 (9.2) to a winning eBay bidder for something around $1,300 combined. Winner was Richard Koos/comic-keys on eBay 8703 Little Neck PKWY, Floral Park, NY 1001-1403.





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As Ace alluded to, we also received e-mails from Koos/Stroud when we auctioned my Amazing Spider-man's. Do you still have any of those e-mails, Ace? We sold Amazing Spider-man #121 (9.8) for $5,200.





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On 11/25/03 we sent out Tales of Suspense #44 (8.5) and #45 (9.2) for $1,500 to eBay winner Perry Stroud/ROBOJO33 on eBay 6853 Nightengale Rd., West Hempstead, NY 11552





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Digressions on Danny. Ace/Comic Keys posted at the Comic Corral on 8/04/07. "CK has 33 different eBay selling names each earning over $200,000 a year." Ace posted this timeline on 10/14/07.

Approximately 1983 - Summer 94 = Danny Dupcak/Fantazia/Hammer

Late 200 - Oct 2006 on eBay = CK/Ace/Richard Koos

March 2007 - today = ROBOJO/Perry

So, Richard Koos bought from us in 2003 (checks against timeline above) and books went to the home of Rosemary Lee Dupcak, Danny's mother.

Then Perry/ROBOJO bought from us in 2003 which does not jibe with the above timeline that Perry/ROBOJO began in March 2007. And those books went to the home of Danny Dupcak.

On 2/6/04 CBG published the articles on Danny Dupcak which became the basis of Old Guys site.

Comic Link, Little Neck, NY was one of our best customers. Always wanted serial #'s to check CGC notes.





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On 4/9/04 CBG #1586 Peter David wrote "The Guarantees Of CGC"





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On 4/23/04 CBG reported Eide's sells a number of Fantastic Fours including a #10 (9.4) for $4,950.





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I do not know who bought that, but Jason Ewert bought Fantastic Four #'s 1 (7.0), 2 (7.5), 3 (8.0), 5 (7.5), 11 (8.0) & 26 (8.5) for a total of $19,265. I expect those issues got better so they could return a profit on investment.





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Shortly after that, Danny Dupcak outed Ewert and CBG disengaged itself from the weekly market report and CGC credibility went to hell.

Fast forward to 9/29/07. In reading the CBG 2/6/04 article on Dupcak's bust, there is no mention of what happened to the Golden Age books of the "20 million dollar" wall.





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Hulk #1 and Amazing Fantasy #15 were seized and auctioned. Where did all the restored Golden Age go? Dupcak was now dealing as ROBOJO33 on eBay but sold Silver Age almost exclusively. For ROBOJO33 to try to pass restored Golden Age books on eBay would risk exposure of ROBOJO33's lucrative Silver Age market. Silver Age books, especially Marvels, are easy to restore, high demand and easier to replenish.

Between 9/20/07 and 10/7/07 Danny/Ace tore himself away from his beloved posting on the Comics Corral (multiple postings everyday before and after) and took a road trip to Pittsburgh. He was too well known close to his New York home and a good 10 hours plus road trip would give him enough distance. He needed someone who did not know him with deep pockets. Someone who had no prescence on the CGC boardsd where Danny was the stuff legends. Someone who had not done the National or NY convention circuit between Danny's heyday of the late 80's to his bust in 1997 after which there were no known Danny sightings.

Eide had made out like a bandit when he sold his Marvels, late SA DCs, miscellaneous companies and select Golden Age. Maybe he knew the secret handshake considering the grades he got. Eide and Danny had never met and Eide did not seem the least bit suspicious of purchases and e-mails by Koos, Stroud and even Ewert. Opportunity was knocking.





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[The Charlton Guy]

Thank you Greg.

This is some very interesting information.

But many questions remain.

I will email you later tonight.

Thanks again and best regards,

Soren (C.G.)

[The Charlton Guy]

Also, Masterchief has expressed an interest in seeing my 2003 to 2006 posts from CPG and StLouis forums which were all along the lines of his later, exceptionally enlightening "Manufactured Gold" thread...

...Would you (the forumites/administrators/etc.) like me to copy the IMPORTANT content of the text from those posts, right here on this forum, either in this thread or a new separate thread?

Let me know and I'll be happy to get started sharing this with all. You won't be disappointed!

The answer is no (to a seperate thread).

But if you wish to rehash that information here on this thread, you are free to do so, but keep in mind, your limited stay is now almost over. You have about 26 hours.

But I think there are more "pressing" issues to discuss now, don't you?

[JohnT]

#clap# Thanks, Mr. Eide! Keep it coming. This is very interesting. You've laid a very plausible connection between Danny and your store. Now let's see what happened next!

[LordRahl]

What am I missing here? What does this prove other than the fact that you've sold books to CK and Ewert? Not sure why others find this to be interesting or in any way relevant info. I've sold and bought books to/from Ewert and a couple of different CK accounts. So what? Quit with the innuendo and connect the dots crap. If you have something to say, spit it out in plain old English.

[The Charlton Guy]

Digressions on Danny. Ace/Comic Keys posted at the Comic Corral on 8/04/07. "CK has 33 different eBay selling names each earning over $200,000 a year." Ace posted this timeline on 10/14/07.


Thanks again Greg, this is a good start toward making your point clearer.

But I want to clarify something in the quoted statement above:

I'm the one who said/posted, "CK has 33 different eBay selling names each earning over $200,000 a year."

It was said in jest by yours truly and shortly thereafter quoted by Ace. His response to this quote was in jest as well.

I'm sure he doesn't have as many as 33...

[The Charlton Guy]

What am I missing here? What does this prove other than the fact that you've sold books to CK and Ewert? Not sure why others find this to be interesting or in any way relevant info. I've sold and bought books to/from Ewert and a couple of different CK accounts. So what? Quit with the innuendo and connect the dots crap. If you have something to say, spit it out in plain old English.


Dude!

Welcome to the Funny Farm!

Pull up a lounge chair and make yourself at home.

Best regards,

C.G.

[LordRahl]

Dude!

Welcome to the Funny Farm!

Pull up a lounge chair and make yourself at home.

Best regards,

C.G.

Thanks! Seems all the CGC foumites are migrating so I thought I'd join up.#woohoo#

[The Charlton Guy]

Great! Welcome on Board.

And by the way, I agree with you.

Numerous people, numerous CGC Forumites, to numerous Feebay suckers, to many un-named and anonymous buyers and sellers, to yours truly have bought and sold from or to one or both of the "scoundrels" noted.

But I still see no proof that Daniel Dupcak was in your store last September Greg.

[AceVentura]

What am I missing here? What does this prove other than the fact that you've sold books to CK and Ewert? Not sure why others find this to be interesting or in any way relevant info. I've sold and bought books to/from Ewert and a couple of different CK accounts. So what? Quit with the innuendo and connect the dots crap. If you have something to say, spit it out in plain old English.

For the record books, we finally agree 100% on something. I have no idea what any of this has to do with anything else. I'm genuinely mystified. Is he complaining that either I, Robo, or anyone else he thinks is Dupcak related has bought books from him????

Am I to understand that in some way, Dupcak, or I was closely monitoring his success and was JEALOUS of him, and this in some way was DD's or My motivation for trying to pass 71 trimmed books to him from Fantazia's wall that although are all grading blue due to CGC/Heritage, Anderson, and Geppi being in cahoots with cagey DD, on him? That was DD's "revenge", offering him $750,000 worth of books for $200,000 for his past success that DD was "jealous of"?

I pray to Allah that someone out there hates me enough, due to jealousy, to bring me a $750,000 payday for $200,000!! I could use all the hate like that I could get.

Is Greg inferring that anything that I or anyone else bought from him that's documentable wound up misrepresented or later trimmed or worked on???

I don't remember if I ever said that I had 33 ebay accounts all earning an average of over $200,000 per year. If I did, I was being facetious. Somebody took that SERIOUSLY???

More, I'm not Danny, and I have the scans to every Hulk 1 that I ever acutioned on Ebay, a total of three. It's not a book that I bought that often. The one in the 9.0 purple label is clearly not one of them. I auctioned my only high grade copy of Hulk1, a restored raw 9.2 in October, 2006 on Ebay, and it had a very visible chip on the lower right edge. I think there's more than one dealer in NY.

Nobody is disputing my address, that Greg himself shows for the Ebay address for CK in Queens, BUT the Ebay address for Robo is West Hempstead. What do you think, they change the names of towns in Queens every year or so? I didn't see the name DD on ANY of the deeds to ANY of the homes, neither the one I live in nor Robo's business address.

BTW, I didn't "tear myself away from ANY precious posting". I was banned! Hard to post when you can't log in anymore, right Greg?

What's Greg going to say on Wed., when I'm not allowed to post here anymore? Say I ran out in this typically convoluted approach he has a gift for in piecing together unrelated events and misinformation?

[AceVentura]

So let me get this straight, Greg. You maintain that the ONLY people in the hobby that EVER trimmed or knowingly sold a restored book without disclosing resto is Danny? That every book he ever sold is automatically worked on, even the ones passed by CGC as Universals.

And that goes for me (CK) also? With almost 2000 ebay feedbacks over 7 years, thousands of off-ebay sales, and a 99.4% feedback average, they were ALL trimmed and worked on? Even the ones passed blue by CGC?

And that goes for Robo also? With his 99.5%? Every book worked on, even the ones that are blue label passed by CGC, by the people who keep coming back and bidding on more because they're getting good grading service results?

And that all of the books on the Fantazia wall are the same books Danny is trying to sell today? And I tried to sell on Ebay. And Robo can't sell them on Ebay because they're "highly recognizable" from the grainy, small pictures of the books on the Fantazia wall that show no identifying details whatsoever?

And that Danny, or Robo, or I am somehow in league with ComicLink and Ewert?

[JohnT]

What am I missing here? What does this prove other than the fact that you've sold books to CK and Ewert? Not sure why others find this to be interesting or in any way relevant info. I've sold and bought books to/from Ewert and a couple of different CK accounts. So what? Quit with the innuendo and connect the dots crap. If you have something to say, spit it out in plain old English.

Every good prosecution begins by telling the story. That's what Eide is doing.

Ace gave his argument, and a big part of it was that it was ridiculous to think Danny would try to sell books to a random dealer in Pittsburgh. Eide is trying to show motive for attempting such a sale. Remember, his version depends on Danny being the seller.

Here's what I took from his post. Danny was familiar with Eide's store, and knew him as a dealer who had good stuff, and was making big money on ebay selling it. To Danny, Eide was a source of high grade books that he could make even higher grade. Moreover, in their dealings Eide seemed to know nothing about who he was or how he made his money.

While the going was good--before the house of cards collapsed--Eide was nothing more than a good source of raw material. After Danny became the criminal celebrity known throughout the hobby--and his traditional avenues for selling were cut off--he needed other ways to ply his trade. One was to go on Ebay and sell high grade Silver, occasionally peppered with carefully and often unnoticeably restored books, with the caveat of offering a no-questions-asked return policy. Good way to make money, in a boring, white collar way.

But Danny wanted more. He a stash of Golden Age books, many which had of course been worked on. He couldn't just unload them on Ebay, for the variety of reasons mentioned or hinted at in this and other threads (smaller pool of much more careful sellers, lack of an "inside" with the high rollers, smaller populations of more traceable books). Still, Danny was not content to stick to his "legit" Ebay operations, and he wanted to score on his GA stuff.

But how?

He couldn't sell them for full value, but he could sell them for more than they were worth to an unsuspecting dealer.

So he needed a dealer who didn't know him, had money, showed signs of being gullible, and was not in the New York area (or other mainstream comic towns).

Did it have to be Eide? No. Maybe there were lots of Eide's out there to choose from. But he chose Eide. Maybe it was because Pittsburgh was the closest market that felt far enough off the beaten track. Maybe it was because he'd dealt with Eide, never had any problems with him, and knew he'd been raking in the dough on Ebay...

Do I believe this is what happened? No idea. But I sure want to hear the rest of the story...

[AceVentura]

Here's what I took from his post. Danny was familiar with Eide's store, and knew him as a dealer who had good stuff, and was making big money on ebay selling it. To Danny, Eide was a source of high grade books that he could make even higher grade. Moreover, in their dealings Eide seemed to know nothing about who he was or how he made his money.

While the going was good--before the house of cards collapsed--Eide was nothing more than a good source of raw material.

And HOW many books in total did "Danny", Robo, or CK buy in total from Eides? Three or four? THIS is the well of untapped potential that was being drawn from??? Robo bought on Ebay for 4 years before starting to only sell? His "master plan" of drawing from Greg's endless well of raw resources only entailed buying 2 or 3 books over that 4 year period of totally clandestine/undercover operation???? How many RAW books did Robo or I buy from Greg??? None??? Was that part of the plan too?

You're kidding, right?? :confused:

[JohnT]

And HOW many books in total did "Danny", Robo, or CK buy in total from Eides? Three or four? THIS is the well of untapped potential that was being drawn from??? Robo bought on Ebay for 4 years before starting to only sell? His "master plan" of drawing from Greg's endless well of raw resources only entailed buying 2 or 3 books over that 4 year period of totally clandestine/undercover operation???? How many RAW books did Robo or I buy from Greg??? None??? Was that part of the plan too?

You're kidding, right?? :confused:

All that's beside the point. Danny knew of Eide, that's all Eide needs to show in a prelude. He's laying a foundation.

Remember..."prelude." That implies that the story is yet to come...

#popcorn#

[JohnT]

All that's beside the point. Danny knew of Eide, that's all Eide needs to show in a prelude. He's laying a foundation.

Remember..."prelude." That implies that the story is yet to come...

#popcorn#

Sorry, he said "prologue." Don't want to misrepresent him!

[Eide]

You were not banned till some time around Xmas. CG, would you verify the record? You are a pathological LIAR , Mr. Danny Dupcak. Make up a better LIE than that , please.

[JohnT]

And HOW many books in total did "Danny", Robo, or CK buy in total from Eides? Three or four? THIS is the well of untapped potential that was being drawn from??? Robo bought on Ebay for 4 years before starting to only sell? His "master plan" of drawing from Greg's endless well of raw resources only entailed buying 2 or 3 books over that 4 year period of totally clandestine/undercover operation???? How many RAW books did Robo or I buy from Greg??? None??? Was that part of the plan too?

You're kidding, right?? :confused:

Actually, when I reread your post, I'm not sure what you're saying. The "master plan" wasn't to set Greg up by buying from him. The buying was just innocent Ebay transactions. But later...Eide is saying Danny saw him as a potential dupe and tried to sell him doctored books. Or am I missing something?

[The Charlton Guy]

You were not banned till some time around Xmas. CG, would you verify the record? You are a pathological LIAR , Mr. Danny Dupcak. Make up a better LIE than that , please.

Do you mean, verify the date that Ace was originally banned? I'll check on that.

Be right back.

[AceVentura]

John (Danny), you keep talking about prosecution, but all prosecution starts with on basic premise. The investigation of a crime.

Was a crime committed? Was one attempted? Given the findings thusfar rendered by CGC on the Action #7 and Superman #2, it doesn't appear that one was committed or attempted. More future grading on more of these books from this 71 piece lot will either bolster or contrindicate trimming.

From all appearances, it appears that if all of these books keep returning in blue labels, as I suspect they will, ol' DD, if it WAS him, wasn't there to scam you and if you bought them for his price, you would have done even BETTER with them and put more money in your pocket to pay those bills and salaries for incompetant Golden age buyers that assisted you in evaluating this collection, than Todd did since you seem to have a history of selling nice stuff that I was really unaware of except for a few books that I won from you on Ebay and long had forgotten about.

I don't know for sure if ol' DD dwells on you, but I sure haven't and don't.

Greg, maybe you can elucidate us by focusing on your complaint here. What exactly IS your complaint? That DD possibly tried to sell you books? That they were trimmed? Or that they're NOT grading restored?

[The Charlton Guy]

Greg?

You (PaulA.) and AceVentura were both first banned from The Corral on November 25th, 2007.

[AceVentura]

You were not banned till some time around Xmas. CG, would you verify the record? You are a pathological LIAR , Mr. Danny Dupcak. Make up a better LIE than that , please.

I'm not Danny Dupcak, I have no idea is he's a pathological liar, but I can tell you one thing. It's not important for me to remember the EXACT date I was banned. I know I was banned around that time.

If you're saying I was "afraid to post" because of someone else's presence here, then you truly haven't a clue about MY personality. Nobody intimidates me. I have nothing to be intimidated by.

But I do think that at some point, you better have some SOLID PROOF that DD was in your store from a legal standpoint because you never know. If I'm not mistaken, you made police reports you said at some point identifying Matt as DD??

If you can't prove it was him, or DD can PROVE his whereabouts that day at that time you placed him in your store, and it turns out that he was 450 miles away, he may very well wind up owning your store if he's so inclined. I'm surprised that being such a thoroughly level headed individual, you wouldn't have thought of this!

Damn! All it would take is a credit card receipt from a store in NY with his signature on it that afternoon, or something simple like that and you'd be up the preverbial creek, game over. It's potentially a dangerous game you're playing if DD had an interest in pursuing this farther!

Greg, I'm not here to argue with you. You want to go after DD for trying to bounce 71 trimmed/untrimmed books on you, you have my blessing. I'm just playing Devil's advocate because if you know the hobby, 99% of what you connect makes no sense at all. If it was DD, I hope you nail the bastard. Even if all the books were unrestored, in which case the person you should be nailing is yourself and the guy that AGREED with you that they were all trimmed!!

[AceVentura]

Greg?

You (PaulA.) and AceVentura were both first banned from The Corral on November 25th, 2006.

So he's inferring that I didn't post here on Sept. 29th because I was in his store???

Or he's inferring that I was afraid to post with him and/or Paul A. here??

I couldn't have just taken a day off from posting like many other days when I didn't post unrelated to Sept. 29th?? :rolleyes:

Crazy!

[AceVentura]

Greg?

You (PaulA.) and AceVentura were both first banned from The Corral on November 25th, 2006.

So Greg was Paul A.??? That explains everything and where 99% of his misinformation came from.

BTW, I matched PaulA post for post. I don't think I gave anyone reason to believe that I was intimidated by him.

[JohnT]

So he's inferring that I didn't post here on Sept. 29th because I was in his store???

Or he's inferring that I was afraid to post with him and/or Paul A. here??

I couldn't have just taken a day off from posting like many other days when I didn't post unrelated to Sept. 29th?? :rolleyes:

Crazy!

I think that's what he's inferring! That you were on a road trip, that is...:D

[The Charlton Guy]

And sorry, the bans were obviously in 2007, not 2006. I have edited my post accordingly.

[The Charlton Guy]

Lots of post editing going on in this thread...;)

[AceVentura]

Lots of post editing going on in this thread...;)

I see one that I edited, and I only do so to ADD information rather than create a separate pst just to expand on an idea. I change nothing from any of my original posts. Only the latest on rare occassion when it's simpler to expand and nobody has yet posted or quoted from it.

[The Charlton Guy]

I know. It's easy to do. And I do it too (mostly due to typing errors). But I think there is a lot more veracity to an unedited post. But maybe that's just me.

[AceVentura]

I think that's what he's inferring! That you were on a road trip, that is...:D

What about all the other days I didn't post for a three hour stretch? More road trips to bounce trimmed books as my "real identity", DD?

Did Greg ever hear of a laptop?? If I were DD and wanted to cover my trail/create an alibi, since I thought NOTHING of driving a car registered in my name within sight of Greg, why wouldn't I have excused myself for a moment, went out to my car and posted something?

This is all so ridiculous. I'm so sorry that my week here was misused to this extent. I thought we might cover some important hobby issues Paul and Greg addressed in my one week, but we were totally bogged down by this utter hogwash of a series of events that are so fantastically illogical that a child shouldn't have a problem seeing the fallacies in.

The only ones who don't see how inane this all is are the ones as blinded by wanting it to have been DD as Greg does to justify his letting the Golden Goose walk.

What a shame.

[AceVentura]

I know. It's easy to do. And I do it too (mostly due to typing errors). But I think there is a lot more veracity to an unedited post. But maybe that's just me.

Nah! I have alot of faith in you and the other mods. You can see the unedited versions and know that any editing done by me is done solely to improve awkward grammar, add a left out word, or ADD info. Never to delete or change the meaning of.

[Eide]

No fraud was commited by Danny Dupcak on me because I recognized what the books were and offered to buy them as what they were. Had I bought the books I would have been unable to get them blue labeled because I was never inducted in to the "big boy's" club. I have had GA books with less resto than mile highs plod. No criminal report was filed.

[The Charlton Guy]

Nah! I have alot of faith in you and the other mods. You can see the unedited versions and know that any editing done by me is done solely to improve awkward grammar, add a left out word, or ADD info. Never to delete or change the meaning of.

I understand, and sometimes (though very rarely) do the same.

But actually, I don't (look at un-edited versions), and if there is a way to do so, I don't know how. I really am pretty much of a self-professed computer illiterate, like our friend Mr. Eide.

I just try and assimilate what I think might be significant posts before they are edited. And some changes are subtle, some may as well be deletions. Those I can see (deletions).

But I am speaking more from the viewpoint of any given Forum Member. And again, maybe it's just me, but I find edited posts bothersome.

This is a stupid sub-topic though.

As time is short for you, just let me flat out ask a very simple question:

Have you ever been to Mr. Eide's store?

Yes or no would probably work best in this scenario.

[The Charlton Guy]

No fraud was commited by Danny Dupcak on me because I recognized what the books were and offered to buy them as what they were. Had I bought the books I would have been unable to get them blue labeled because I was never inducted in to the "big boy's" club. I have had GA books with less resto than mile highs plod. No criminal report was filed.


We might as well try and "Hammer" this out right here and now.

Mr. Eide?

What proof do you have that Daniel Dupcak was in your store last September?

I have heard nothing yet that comes close to convincing me, and others feel the same. Still others have told me that you do have proof, but have yet to share it.

Again, I would humbly suggest that here and now is the time.

[AceVentura]

No fraud was commited by Danny Dupcak on me because I recognized what the books were and offered to buy them as what they were. Had I bought the books I would have been unable to get them blue labeled because I was never inducted in to the "big boy's" club. I have had GA books with less resto than mile highs plod. No criminal report was filed.

Greg, I agree in one respect. There's ALOT of blue label slabs housing restored books because of nepotistic grading (keeping it in the family). I've posted on this and cited over a THOUSAND of examples in the past 7 years.

The wonderful world of labels take on a completely different perspective when you're on the inside of the circle looking out, rather than the other way around, which is the status of the most of us.

It's a world where a 4.5 can become a 9.2, and purple labels change colors. It's a world where CGC 9.6 blue label Silver age books FIT WITH ROOM TO SPARE in a modern age well! It's a bizarro world where logic runs counterclockwise and the furniture is nailed to the ceiling.
Books with press-induced exploding corners garnering 9.6 labels, etc., etc., etc.

Time has proven all of my posts from years of posting along the lines of MasterChief's eye opening, LOCKED 258 page testimony masterpiece.

There are bogey-men in the hobby, not just one, but MANY of them. There are more trimmed books than anyone can possibly imagine, exc ept for one individual that can identify them readily in blue slabs and KNOWS for sure.

But, can you be absolutely SURE that Matt was DD, can you be absolutely SURE that this is just one more case of hobby higher ups chicanery and the books were positively trimmed, and most important, if you're wrong on both counts, could you live with that too, realizing that the error here was yours?

[The Charlton Guy]

But, can you be absolutely SURE that Matt was DD?

Maybe not, but you can.

So I'll ask again, yes or no:

Have you ever been to Mr. Eide's store?

[AceVentura]

I understand, and sometimes (though very rarely) do the same.

But actually, I don't (look at un-edited versions), and if there is a way to do so, I don't know how. I really am pretty much of a self-professed computer illiterate, like our friend Mr. Eide.

I just try and assimilate what I think might be significant posts before they are edited. And some changes are subtle, some may as well be deletions. Those I can see (deletions).

But I am speaking more from the viewpoint of any given Forum Member. And again, maybe it's just me, but I find edited posts bothersome.

This is a stupid sub-topic though.

As time is short for you, just let me flat out ask a very simple question:

Have you ever been to Mr. Eide's store?

Yes or no would probably work best in this scenario.

Even after seeing his Youtube video (once, about a month ago or so) I wouldn't know Greg if I was standing right in front of him. I only knew him from seeing a few of his ebay auctions. I wasn't even aware that I won something from him. He's got a receipt for something mailed to me (CK/RK). For a million dollars though, I couldn't tell you what it was for or when I won it? I don't remember bidding on any of his auctions. I don't remember ever communicating with him before he was Paul A.

I can answer for me. I don't know anything about his dealings with DD and I saw two or three books that Robo won from him a number of years ago. I have no idea of what dealings he may have had with them.

I wasn't in his store. I've never been in his store. I've never met him.

Is he supposed to have a long history of dealings with DD???

[AceVentura]

Maybe not, but you can.

So I'll ask again, yes or no:

Have you ever been to Mr. Eide's store?

No. Not to be confused. An emphatic "No". I never met the man.

[The Charlton Guy]

Thank you.

One down and one to go...

Mr. Eide? I will ask one more time:

What proof do you have that Daniel Dupcak was in your store last September?

[The Charlton Guy]

Where the hell is Paul when you need him?

[flyingdonut]

This thread makes my head hurt. What does ANY of this crap have to do with the Golden Age books that Eide's Entertainment passed on and Todd McDevit bought? I'm thinking nothing.

[The Charlton Guy]

I'm with you.

Got any donuts?

[flyingdonut]

No donuts. Just had a nice piece of cheese, though.

[The Charlton Guy]

I love cheese...

[AceVentura]

This thread makes my head hurt. What does ANY of this crap have to do with the Golden Age books that Eide's Entertainment passed on and Todd McDevit bought? I'm thinking nothing.

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[JohnT]

...we were totally bogged down by this utter hogwash of a series of events that are so fantastically illogical that a child shouldn't have a problem seeing the fallacies in.

The only ones who don't see how inane this all is are the ones as blinded by wanting it to have been DD as Greg does to justify his letting the Golden Goose walk.


Not true! I'm not a child and I hope that it wasn't DD, but the fact is Greg's scenario is not completely implausible, given Danny's history of criminal activity! So we'd be stupid to rule out Danny's involvement without hearing all the story. Is Greg's Danny sighting improbable? At this point I'd say "yes". Are there reasons why Greg would want to make the whole thing up? Yes. But is it impossible that Danny was the seller? No. So what have we got to lose by waiting and keeping an open mind?

In truth, Ace, you've been getting awfully defensive over the last several days, which leads me to wonder if you've got something to hide (well, obviously you have stuff to hide, but I mean with respect to this Eide matter). You seem especially sensitive to hints that a crime might have been committed (my innocent use of the word "prosecution" raised your hackels, for example). One might almost start to suspect that you're worried about legal action.

And by the way, it may be true that no crime was committed at Eide's...but what about at Todd's?

For the record, I am not convinced by either side of the story at this point. And that shouldn't be surprising, given there are key questions still unanswered. One thing I'm good at is knowing when I don't know something. I'm content to try to gather information, and hopefully get to the bottom of the story eventually.

[AceVentura]

Not true! I'm not a child and I hope that it wasn't DD, but the fact is Greg's scenario is not completely implausible, given Danny's history of criminal activity!

What's his criminal history? Busted for phony autographs somewhere in Long Island? Is there more? You talk like we're discussing a Nazi war-criminal.




I can't wait, remember? I'm out of here later today sometime. My one week is up and I haveb't heard ONE ARGUMENT with any validity at all as to it being a masterminded criminal who tried to pull off fooling Greg.

[quote]In truth, Ace, you've been getting awfully defensive over the last several days, which leads me to wonder if you've got something to hide (well, obviously you have stuff to hide, but I mean with respect to this Eide matter). You seem especially sensitive to hints that a crime might have been committed (my innocent use of the word "prosecution" raised your hackels, for example). One might almost start to suspect that you're worried about legal action.

No adult with a rational, working mind could EVER even START to suspect that I'm worried about legal action. For YEARS I heard stories regaled where people were coming after me and investigating me, and what not. For what? Mistakenly selling a raw book that CGC found restoration on with rare occurence? Like thousands uponb thousands of raw books that have been sold by hundreds of dealers and thousands of sellers that CGC found restoration on? For what? Giving a refund and standing behind the sale sometime YEARS later with a refund? How many dealers do that? I'll give you a clue. ZERO would do that years later. Is that what I'm going to be arrested for? I don't think so.

Or for being DD and tring to sell Greg books that he turned down? For a non-crime that was non-committed for books that were non-trimmed that are showing up in non-purple labels slabs??

THIS is what I'm seemingly worried about?

Wrong guess.

Everybody keeps referring to me as Danny. I'm not Danny. When Greg was referring to YOU as Danny, why didn't you just accept it? Why'd you get defensive over it? You hiding something?

I'm worried about legal action? For what? Good luck to all trying to prove that I was in Eides Entertainment and good luck to all trying to prove that I (RK) am DD. Clarence Darrow couldn't prove that one to a juryfull of Kangaroos.


And by the way, it may be true that no crime was committed at Eide's...but what about at Todd's?

Given Todd's dispostion of the books, do you really think Todd feels violated?


For the record, I am not convinced by either side of the story at this point. And that shouldn't be surprising, given there are key questions still unanswered. One thing I'm good at is knowing when I don't know something. I'm content to try to gather information, and hopefully get to the bottom of the story eventually.

No matter how ridiculous and how illogical it all rolls out? I envy your almost childlike naivety. I'm way too much a realist to speculate on what I've learned about this deal and Greg's comments.

Does Greg have surveillance cameras in his store or not? I've heard that he DOES. He has no qualms about posting mug shots of DD with colorized blonde hair and no moustache. He knows alot of folks think he's nuts. Where's his store surveillance photos of DD that he's supposed to have? Was his camera working that day?

The only way this being the work of a "master-criminal" with 71 trimmed books under his arm is if Greg's store is located in Strawberry Fields, where nothing is real and I'm just as surprised to read that there are people who seriously believe these claims as I was 8 years ago when I learned who the founding fathers of CGC were and saw the auction results of the first Manning auctions featuring all CGC graded books won by the same person who consigned them. I said to myself, "THIS can't work! The collectors in this hobby aren't going to buy this smoke and mirrors show. Nobody's THAT naive". I was wrong. never underestimate the OTHER guys' greed or gullibility. :(

Frank Lopez would be sorely disappointed because there seems to be alot of hobbyists not following the rules, and getting high on their own supply! :D

[JohnT]

Ace, like I said, I am leaning toward the seller not being DD, but am keeping an open mind.

You seem to have an emotional investment in the outcome of this little drama, that's all I'm saying. Many people have commented that Greg's emotional outbursts indicate sour grapes. I just noted that your investment in this issue could be seen as supporting Greg's version.

From my point of view, I think the "childlike naivete" that you see in me is just keeping an open mind. If it turns out that Greg doesn't have good evidence that Danny was the seller, I'll be the first to say that this whole episode was the result of his snowballing paranoia and his resentment toward a competitor. For the record, I was one of the first (the first?) to question Eide's claim that the books were trimmed over on the CGC thread, back when everyone was concluding that Todd was a complete fool and was afraid to send the Tec 27 to CGC because he knew he'd been taken.

In my job I'm a manager, and I've learned over the years that you can't jump to conclusions in disputes until you have all the facts. And most importantly, I've learned that what appears to be reality sometimes isn't.

[The Charlton Guy]

Where the hell is Paul when you need him?


"C.G.? Dude!I'm really sorry but...
Now don't be that way! Let me explain!"

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"I was on my way back from Pittsburgh with
the whole poop on this funny book business
when I ran out of gas up here in Ashtabula!
I'ts not my fault C.G.! Besides...
...this blond at the Hess Station?
Knock your socks off!"

[The Charlton Guy]

"Oh...yeah...one more thing C.G...."
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"Can you send me a Western Union Wire Transfer?
For say...$4,000? Gas attendants...I mean...gas is
expensive up here in Ashtabula!"

[OldGuy]

What's Greg going to say on Wed., when I'm not allowed to post here anymore? Say I ran out in this typically convoluted approach he has a gift for in piecing together unrelated events and misinformation?

He won't be saying anything, he'll be banned as well.

[AceVentura]

He won't be saying anything, he'll be banned as well.

In my final hours, let me ask you something I've always been curious about based on observation.

Seemingly, you don't buy or sell many CGC graded comics. I'm not aware of ever having read a post by you discussing a grade you got on a submission you made, or related text.

You do ALOT of posting and reading on the CGC forum but in no way seem to exhibit a relative interest in collecting or investing in a relative way to others with a FAR bigger vested interest in CGC product... it IS a CGC forum, right?

As you seem to go through alot of effort reporting certain injustices in the hobby, according to you, you actively pursue me (CK) with a special website reporting what you feel is a problem and designed to impact business. You've dont the same to PGX, CGC's direct competitor, and yet WHY ISN'T THERE A "JUST A FANBOY SITE" DEDICATED TO THE EWERT SCANDAL, Gus of Silver age with his Action #1, and ALL of the other dealers who have EVER had a problem with what you consider a questionable transaction?

WHY don't your crosshairs of judgemental, moral indignation point elsewhere at target just as, or even FAR MORE deserving of your primary two targets??

I think I know what the answer will be, "because you and PGX are crooks" or something to that effect, but once again, I question why you waste time and bandwidth on vigilantism directed on two entities that sell comics, when if you have a penchant for creating Utopia, there are so many OTHER avenues you could pursue of far more good to humanity. I.e., chasing child molestors, drug dealers, wiping out world hunger, sponsoring blood drives, etc.

I have my own theory, that you have SPONSORS that PAY you to run these sites blasting me and PGX and I think that or those sponsors would have good reason to wish to chase PGX and me out of the comic biz.

Now, of late, I have an interest in putting all of my emails online. All the emails I've ever received from disgruntled buyers of all of the major dealers, all documentable with headers. The real deal. Thousands of them saved over the past 8 years.

MasterChiefs "Manufactured Gold" thread, and all of the other threads concerning hobby chicanery that I've saved from the CGC and other internet forums.

A thoroughly indexed compendium of every little dirty deed I've heard of or read on a site where people can come and learn about CGC, Ewert, Heritage, secret resto, major dealers' deals gone bad, secret handshakes all the major dealers... EVERYTHING! All the emails I ever received that started with, "You CAN'T say you heard this from me, but..".

I'm inspired by YOUR work, but I'm not just pointing at 1 or 2 entities that my sponsor has a vested interest in destroying. I'm going to be taking aim at the entire hobby, and letting all the uninitiated know EXACTLY what's happened in this hobby since the day CGC had the lock put on the front door!! All done in easy to follow schematics. Text, images, emails, etc., etc. Follow the bouncing slabs. I've always maintained that if people suspected HALF the truth, the hobby would take the same swan dive like the great coin grading service awakening in the 90s.

Wish me luck!! I'm going to take a whack at it! Maybe the upshot will be if enough people study my site, EVERYONE will be able to once again afford the high grade key issues of their dreams!!

[The Charlton Guy]

And with that, I bid adeiau Ace (again).

You are now permanently banned from The Corral.

And you too Mr. Eide, permanently banned.

I had the hackneyed idea that perhaps by getting the both of you together in one place, on one thread, that perhaps you (Mr. Eide) would be willing and able to prove your point. I admit, it was a bad idea.

I will leave it to the readers of this thread to make up their minds as to what happened or didn't happen here.

As for me? I no longer care.

I have been through over six months of this nonsense and I'm done. We're done.

I would like to apologize to any Corral Members who were put off by Ace's brief return. Again, this was entirely my own idea and I freely admit, a very bad one. If it had worked (in drawing out any semblance of proof from Mr. Eide), perhaps it would be a different story and I wouldn't feel like such a huge jerk. But there it is.

Again, this hair-brained scheme was put in place before I was banned from the CGC Forum and had nothing to do with that event. I had gone out of my way to goad and cajole Hoss into letting me go through with this hair-brained scheme, and I wasn't about to turn around and say "never mind" to Hoss. He puts up with a lot from me...thanks Hoss.

I would also like to make clear, especially to CGC Forum Members, that I never believed Mr. Eide. And never gave credance to his allegations.

I am not "anti-CGC". But I am firmly opposed to any and all sellers, collectors, professional graders, uninterested profiteers and yes, that includes any and all of these people who might profit from their connections in the "upper eschelons" of the hobby at the expense of Joe Schmoe collectors like me. A selfish view? Maybe. But I like to think that I also have the better interests of the hobby at heart too. No...I don't need to think about that one...I do.

So again, I'm not anti-CGC, not anti-restoration, not anti-high grade, not anti-anything (other than the fact that I am unapologeticaly anti-scam).

I'm just a Guy who digs old comic books.

I'm going all over the place on this and I apologize. I just wanted to get some of that out I guess. Excuse the soap-box approach.

I just want to say one more thing:

We are not in the habit of banning people here at The Corral.

Other than some cell-phone spammers and their ilk, there have only been five people banned from this Forum; Ace, Mr. Eide/PaulA., SnootyPossum (Bugaboo) and two others who came on-Board specifically to troll and harrass a Corral Member. Ace and Eide were initially banned for posting personal information, trolling and generally making life miserable for the people who come to this Forum on a daily basis. They will not return. Ever.

We believe very strongly in letting people speak their minds, without any influence from any corporate or outside interests, so to deny anyone the right to speak up here is very abhorrent to me and I hope that I never have to ban another Member, but I won't apologise for banning any of the five people mentioned above.

Again, I thank you all for putting up with me and my whims and I encourage all of you to use this Area of The Corral and any other for whatever whims you may have and to say what you want and do what you want. And maybe we can all help bring some fun (and maybe even some truth) back into this crazy, convoluted hobby of ours.

Thanks to all for putting up with this prattle for six months.

Best regards,

Soren (The Charlton Guy)

[habib]

#clap# Well spoken....CG....Well spoken #clap#

[The Cooler King]

#clap# Well spoken....CG....Well spoken #clap#

I admit that I was hooked from the start when this all went down.

I too had hoped for a 'hint' of the truth, or even a good-old-fashion-

flame-war. But that was not to be. You can not take what has gone down

here, in any way as being somehow your failure. You allowed for the free

exchange of ideas to flow, giving both the unrestrained chance to "say

it their way. The failure is theirs, for not getting the job done. We

may never know the "whole truth" on this matter, but we got to see

a side of the hobby that is not pretty, and that my friend was a good

read on the people involved. I for one say THANKS. T.C.K.

[The Charlton Guy]

...I for one say THANKS. T.C.K.

What's the "K." stand for?

"Kook" or Klutz"?

JUSSSSSSSST kidding! (I think...)

Thanks Cooler King.

It's good to have you on Board.

[StlComics]

Thanks to all for putting up with this prattle for six months.


Seeing this come to an end is kind of like undoing the top button of a tight pair of dress pants after thanksgiving dinner... it just feels good. :D

[oxbladder]

And with that I return to post publicly again.

[Red Hook]

Welcome back! I know exactly what you mean. The boards have gotten a spring cleaning.

Red

[skiw]

I was really hoping the Eide and/or Ace would actually shed some light on shady dealings of the comic elite for entertainment purposes. Look at how much fun the whole bluechip Action #1 scam on the CGC boards was.

Call me a skeptic, but I would not doubt if there is some truth to Eide's story and that it is not just sour grapes..............however, it looks like Todd ended up being the BIG WINNAH in this whole saga! #rockon#

[OldGuy]

In my final hours, let me ask you something I've always been curious about based on observation.

Seemingly, you don't buy or sell many CGC graded comics. I'm not aware of ever having read a post by you discussing a grade you got on a submission you made, or related text.


I buy, submit and sell CGC comics all the time. I just don't deal in uber high grade CGC books. Also, about half or more of all of my transactions aren't public. I'm sure you can relate.



You do ALOT of posting and reading on the CGC forum but in no way seem to exhibit a relative interest in collecting or investing in a relative way to others with a FAR bigger vested interest in CGC product.....
Mostly a fair statement, relatively speaking...



As you seem to go through alot of effort reporting certain injustices in the hobby, according to you, you actively pursue me (CK) with a special website reporting what you feel is a problem and designed to impact business. You've dont the same to PGX, CGC's direct competitor, and yet WHY ISN'T THERE A "JUST A FANBOY SITE" DEDICATED TO THE EWERT SCANDAL, Gus of Silver age with his Action #1, and ALL of the other dealers who have EVER had a problem with what you consider a questionable transaction?
It's a matter of time more then anything else. The vast majority of the info on the PGX page was handed to me by a person that didn't want to publish the information them selves. It didn't take much for me to create the site.

If someone were to gather most of the Ewert info for me and present it in such a way that I could create a website with relative ease, I would be happy to do so.



WHY don't your crosshairs of judgemental, moral indignation point elsewhere at target just as, or even FAR MORE deserving of your primary two targets??
See my answer above.

Get the info to me in a nice, neat package and I'll get to work on a web site. What I don't understand is why you, and others, assume I have nothing better to do then research and build web sites. Why isn't anyone else building a web site?



I think I know what the answer will be, "because you and PGX are crooks" or something to that effect
That is definitely part of my answer.



but once again, I question why you waste time and bandwidth on vigilantism directed on two entities that sell comics, when if you have a penchant for creating Utopia, there are so many OTHER avenues you could pursue of far more good to humanity. I.e., chasing child molestors, drug dealers, wiping out world hunger, sponsoring blood drives, etc.
There are so many great websites already out there for those causes that anything I could do to help public awareness in those areas would only serve to distract people from truly great resources already in place.



I have my own theory, that you have SPONSORS that PAY you to run these sites blasting me and PGX and I think that or those sponsors would have good reason to wish to chase PGX and me out of the comic biz.
That's a great theory! Please, gather your evidence and create a website of your own, exposing me!



Now, of late, I have an interest in putting all of my emails online. All the emails I've ever received from disgruntled buyers of all of the major dealers, all documentable with headers. The real deal. Thousands of them saved over the past 8 years.

MasterChiefs "Manufactured Gold" thread, and all of the other threads concerning hobby chicanery that I've saved from the CGC and other internet forums.

A thoroughly indexed compendium of every little dirty deed I've heard of or read on a site where people can come and learn about CGC, Ewert, Heritage, secret resto, major dealers' deals gone bad, secret handshakes all the major dealers... EVERYTHING! All the emails I ever received that started with, "You CAN'T say you heard this from me, but..".

I'm inspired by YOUR work, but I'm not just pointing at 1 or 2 entities that my sponsor has a vested interest in destroying. I'm going to be taking aim at the entire hobby, and letting all the uninitiated know EXACTLY what's happened in this hobby since the day CGC had the lock put on the front door!! All done in easy to follow schematics. Text, images, emails, etc., etc. Follow the bouncing slabs. I've always maintained that if people suspected HALF the truth, the hobby would take the same swan dive like the great coin grading service awakening in the 90s.

Wish me luck!! I'm going to take a whack at it! Maybe the upshot will be if enough people study my site, EVERYONE will be able to once again afford the high grade key issues of their dreams!!I can't wait. Will you be doing this before or after you write your book?

[MutantKeys]

Is that Danny D. ?

[mordo]

I had the hackneyed idea that perhaps by getting the both of you together in one place, on one thread, that perhaps you (Mr. Eide) would be willing and able to prove your point. I admit, it was a bad idea.

No, it wasn't a bad idea. You had to give it a try. With Eide and CK posting together there was a chance something relevant might be discovered. Unfortunately, Eide did not have the evidence to prove his case. His posting style and sporadic personal attacks were really annoying. If that is how he is in real life, it is no wonder "Matt" walked out and shopped his books elsewhere.


I would like to apologize to any Corral Members who were put off by Ace's brief return. Again, this was entirely my own idea and I freely admit, a very bad one. If it had worked (in drawing out any semblance of proof from Mr. Eide), perhaps it would be a different story and I wouldn't feel like such a huge jerk. But there it is.

The Corral gave Eide a forum to air his view of what happened on 9/29/07 and he didn't take advantage. It's all on him. He is probably the only person in the hobby who could make Danny Dupcak look like the good guy. Another thing, this thread also seemed to plant the seed for a possible research partnership (albeit at arms length) between Master Chief and Ace Ventura. The end result could be good if CK follows through.


Again, this hair-brained scheme was put in place before I was banned from the CGC Forum and had nothing to do with that event.

Hmm.. Okay, whatever you say. :)

[The Charlton Guy]

Hmm.. Okay, whatever you say. :)

Just what we need, another conspiracy theory...:cool:

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Veritas numquam perit

[Hoss]

Hi Rorschach53! Welcome to the Comics Corral!

[marvelguy]

Welcome to the Corral, Rorschach53.

I see your first Italian proverb means "Who watches the Watchmen" and your second one means something about enlightening truth?

[The Charlton Guy]

Veritas numquam perit



Assiduus usus uni rei deditus et ingenium et artem saepe vincit #oldie#

[marvelguy]

Fuddgetaboutit!

[jaydeebee]

Gort, Klaatu barada nikto.

[stupidman]

Klaatu. .. Verada. .. Necktie...Nectar...Nickel...It's an "N" word, it's definitely an "N" word"...

[Rorschach86]

From "Do You Want Fries With That " pg199
&quot;I'm a newbie nobody in this hobby so, please excuse me if my observations and questions come off as naive or stupid. This thread began as a rant by Flaming Telepath in regard to a new push by Matt Nelson to sell his pressing service. Whether you believe pressing to be restoration or not, one must logically conclude that in the vast majority of cases, pressing is done for purely mercenary, rather than aesthetic reasons and, even when done for asthetic reasons, the owner of the pressed item, a la Bedrock, will admit that they plan to make a shit load more money when it comes time to sell. Pressing yields more money. The power players in the hobby have been doing it for better than a quarter of a century and it has only filtered down to the rank and file within the last ten years and the advent, of CGC. Moral outrage at undisclosed manipulation will not de-rail the runaway money train that is pressing. Like it or not, we can not turn the speeding locomotive around or turn back time to un-manipulate 25 years worth of pressed books. Like Foolkiller I believe that the who, what, where, why and when, is irrelevant to the fact it IS and IT is not going away. The subjects of this thread, pressing, disclosure, flipping, in-fighting and unbridled greed, pale next to worse problems that have only begun to be addressed&quot; </p>http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/cc53162033.jpg






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This post and the following 4 pages of derailing by Bedrock, Dr. Watson, Flying Donut etc. were expunged.

[Rorschach86]

The Dentist is Steve's BFF. He does all the Heritage submissions for both of them. He was thebigloo and is now redmelvin27 : tax dodge for him and S and insulation for S. D has sold comics with known but undisclosed resto, gets gift grades from CGC, was caught manufacturing fake Mile Highs and, like the puppet master, he has the ability to get trimmed, color touched, cleaned, pressed, reinforced and even piece replaced comics in blue labels. At least they did till Borock was fired. It is ten to midnight.&quot;I was half expecting to see Rorschach86's name be instantly elevated to the banned list in record time!&quot; The post was removed within an hour but the banning by Dena came after three hours of deliberation on a proper response.&quot;Quite an agenda for just a &quot; newbie&quot;. Clearly not here as a constructive part of the CGC community&quot;

[The Charlton Guy]

The Dentist is Steve's BFF. He does all the Heritage submissions for both of them. He was thebigloo and is now redmelvin27 : tax dodge for him and S and insulation for S. D has sold comics with known but undisclosed resto, gets gift grades from CGC, was caught manufacturing fake Mile Highs and, like the puppet master, he has the ability to get trimmed, color touched, cleaned, pressed, reinforced and even piece replaced comics in blue labels. At least they did till Borock was fired. It is ten to midnight.&quot;I was half expecting to see Rorschach86's name be instantly elevated to the banned list in record time!&quot; The post was removed within an hour but the banning by Dena came after three hours of deliberation on a proper response.&quot;Quite an agenda for just a &quot; newbie&quot;. Clearly not here as a constructive part of the CGC community&quot;

Rorschach86 and welcome to the Corral.

After reading your posts, I can see why you were banned at CGC.

You won't be banned here. At least, not by me.

So again, welcome, and make yourself at home.

[malaprop]

Stu, I'm pretty sure the N word was nicotine.

[The Cooler King]

The Dentist is Steve's BFF. He does all the Heritage submissions for both of them. He was thebigzoo and is now redmelvin27 : tax dodge for him and S and insulation for S. D has sold comics with known but undisclosed resto, gets gift grades from CGC, was caught manufacturing fake Mile Highs and, like the puppet master, he has the ability to get trimmed, color touched, cleaned, pressed, reinforced and even piece replaced comics in blue labels. At least they did till Borock was fired. It is ten to midnight.&quot;I was half expecting to see Rorschach86's name be instantly elevated to the banned list in record time!&quot; The post was removed within an hour but the banning by Dena came after three hours of deliberation on a proper response.&quot;Quite an agenda for just a &quot; newbie&quot;. Clearly not here as a constructive part of the CGC community&quot;

A little more honesty would serve you well here. You started as 53 here and 86 on the CGC boards.

Are these two user id's equally yours?, or are we looking at two different people?,little confused here.

If you can prove what you allege, then by all means go for it. I just have seen this

type of posting all too often, throw a little blood in the water(in this case

provocative charges), and watch the feeding frenzy, but never, ever,

give details or how this "information" was acquired. But by all means

please do enlighten us, as it has been a really long time that any real

imformation of this has come forward, and it just might be a really

good read.

[Red Hook]

Borock was fired?

[The Cooler King]

Borock was fired?

Well Rorschach 86/53 has alleged it, now let's see if is proveable.

[Red Hook]

Not that it's that important... it was just something I hadn't heard. I thought I had missed something.

[The Cooler King]

Not that it's that important... it was just something I hadn't heard. I thought I had missed something.

CGC President and Primary Grader Steven Borock has formally announced his departure after a six-month transition program. Beginning early 2008, Borock had largely transitioned from his grading responsibilities to CGC business development in anticipation of this move. He is leaving to pursue other opportunities in the collectibles field, specifically the areas of comic books, magazines and autographed collectibles.
Mark Haspel, who has served as Vice President and Senior Grader since CGC's inception, has been named President and Primary Grader and assumed Steven Borock's duties in the grading room. Widely acclaimed as one of the nation's leading experts, Haspel is highly skilled at both restoration detection and pedigree attribution. He is a grading advisor to the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide and has consulted on grading for many of the hobby's most important collections. Paul Litch, who oversees CGC's modern grading division, has been named Vice President and Modern Primary Grader.
"My years at CGC, spent building something really special in comics and helping our hobby to become a safer place, has been an amazing time in my life. Mark Haspel has been a spectacular partner and colleague. He has encyclopedic knowledge of comics and an amazing eye for grading and restoration detection," comments Steven Borock, "Mark has been acting Primary Grader for six months, and I know that I'm leaving at the perfect time to pursue new ventures and that CGC will continue to service the hobby in the best possible way."
Steven Eichenbaum, CEO, thanks Steven Borock for his service: "Steve has been a major factor in CGC's success, and he's been an integral part in launching new products that are coming later this year. He and Mark have managed the transition perfectly. Mark Haspel is an extraordinary talent, and has all the tools to guide CGC and maintain its very high standards. In Steve, we truly found the best individual to launch and grow CGC for its first 8 years, and everyone, here and in the hobby, wishes him great success in his next ventures."

[Red Hook]

King.... yeah, that's the official announcement.

Not necessarily reality based, you know. ;)

Anyway, it seems R86 has fallen silent again. Perhaps crushed by the weight of his burden. #popcorn#

[The Cooler King]

King.... yeah, that's the official announcement.

Not necessarily reality based, you know. ;)

Anyway, it seems R86 has fallen silent again. Perhaps crushed by the weight of his burden. #popcorn#

Perhaps R53, can chime in then.#dunno#

[Red Hook]

I'm holding out to hear from R2D2.


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[The Cooler King]

I'm holding out to hear from R2D2.



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Hell, at this point, I think any input would be most welcome.:smile:

[stupidman]

Borock was fired?

"Why don't you call them up and ask them? 1-877-NMCOMICS"

LOL, sorry. That is my favorite lame answer on the CGC Board :)

[Red Hook]

Basically that was the answer, when they ran out of answers.

[The Charlton Guy]

Hey Rorschach86,

Any chance you were in Scranton last weekend?

(Love the name & avatar by the way...)

[Rorschach86]

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&quot;What are you trying to say? If you have any proof of this happening pm me and I will look into it as this is bad for our hobby. If you have no proof, please don't throw this kind of @#$% on the boards as this is also bad for the hobby.&quot;

Joe Collector quote 9/11/08. &quot;the anti JC crowd...don't want me rocking the boat before they can unload all their wares and flip a few more books. These are smart guys and they know the party is going to end, but don't want me telling all the fat-walleted feebs.&quot; Red, CG, Stu, CK, I can not call CGC for notes on these books without potentially exposing myself. Would you guys be so kind as to call up for the individual notes.

We can have a discussion on the weird scenes in these manufactured goldmines.

[Red Hook]

See R.... it's well past the point of playing games. Too late. If you have something concrete, than just post it. This train has pretty much left the station. These scans have been floating around for quite some time now.

No one wants intrigue.

People want cold hard facts.

[The Cooler King]

See R.... it's well past the point of playing games. Too late. If you have something concrete, than just post it. This train has pretty much left the station. These scans have been floating around for quite some time now.

No one wants intrigue.

People want cold hard facts.
#woohoo#Well said Red!!! Finely a Board, a Mod, and Response

that cut to the truth,how very refreshing. If I recall, you are all about

transparency,and this response goes right to the heart of the matter.

Please R53/86, don't play us, don't titillate, lay out the facts as you

see them, then let us make up our minds. The more information you

give, the more factual they are, the better this will be received.

As it is now you are just one of any number of angry, anonamiss,posters

that has taken us down this road before,only to crash and burn, before

giving any knowledge, truth, or facts.TKC.

[Hoss]

Good posts guys. I never really understood why people with these earth shattering, "I'm gonna reveal the truth" type posts don't just tell the whole story and be done with it and instead opt for the mystical puzzle type posts.


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[Red Hook]

To continue to play the "coquette" is not useful at this point in time and at this point so late in the game.

I'm asking you to stand and deliver R.... or simply fade back into the mist.

Red

PS Yo' King. And Hiya' Hoss!

[The Cooler King]

To continue to play the "coquette" is not useful at this point in time and at this point so late in the game.

I'm asking you to stand and deliver R.... or simply fade back into the mist.

Red

PS Yo' King. And Hiya' Hoss!
Thanks Red. I aspire to inspire.

Thanks Hoss,(see above).

[Daredevil]

To continue to play the "coquette" is not useful at this point in time and at this point so late in the game.

I'm asking you to stand and deliver R.... or simply fade back into the mist.

Red

PS Yo' King. And Hiya' Hoss!

no facts to deliver just innuendo hence the silence

[Red Hook]

All hat. No horse.

[stupidman]

Red, CG, Stu, CK, I can not call CGC for notes on these books without potentially exposing myself. Would you guys be so kind as to call up for the individual notes.

Exposing yourself to what? That makes no sense. Call from a payphone, it's a toll-free number.

[Red Hook]

As Charlie Brown would say.....

"Aaaarrrghhh!"


Silly, silly stuff.

[The Charlton Guy]

Hey G.? These guys are right.

If you have "cold, hard facts"? Post them.

I appreciate your emails, but you would better serve the hobby and better serve whatever motivation drives you to pursue this avenue, if you would just put it all together in one concise, coherent post. I know you have tried to do so before and been interrupted, but as far as I'm concerned, that's all water under the bridge now. And I will not post or pursue any of the information that you have forwarded to me. I am done with the whole business.

So feel free to speak your mind. Just PLEEEEEEEASE keep it simple, keep it concise as possible and prove your allegations once and for all or just give it up.

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Soren.

[Red Hook]

And here we are, a month later, and he never had the chutzpah to post real concrete information.

Remember, in this hobby there is no such thing as altruism. Everyone has an agenda.

Even me! #oldie#

[The Charlton Guy]

BUMP! :-D (Co. TwitchyLips Productions, 2011)

Just curious; does Daniel or Greg check in on this thread from time to time?

What the heck, let's get together here on this thread for "Ol' Times Sake".

You game?

Shill accounts are fine with me.

Hoss is busy tracking down potential Reindeer Bullfight Candidates in Ashtabula, so he won't notice. #hello#

Come on guys, let's party! #bash3#

[The Charlton Guy]

Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is frivolous and easily distracted, it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians, in which instinct has learned nothing from experience. (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27301.html)

George Santayana: "The Age of Reason", 1905

Say Amen Brother.

[toz1960]

BUMP! :-D (Co. TwitchyLips Productions, 2011)

Just curious; does Daniel or Greg check in on this thread from time to time?

What the heck, let's get together here on this thread for "Ol' Times Sake".

You game?

Shill accounts are fine with me.

Hoss is busy tracking down potential Reindeer Bullfight Candidates in Ashtabula, so he won't notice. #hello#

Come on guys, let's party! #bash3#


Party at CG's place!WOO HOO#rockon#

[Hepcat]

So were AceVentura and Paul A banned for posts so abstruse that only the initiated could even hope to guess what they were trying to say?

:confused:

[nocutename]

Party like its 1999!!!!

[The Charlton Guy]

So were AceVentura and Paul A banned for posts so abstruse that only the initiated could even hope to guess what they were trying to say?

:confused:

You got it.

[MasterChief]

BUMP! :-D (Co. TwitchyLips Productions, 2011)

Just curious; does Daniel or Greg check in on this thread from time to time?

What the heck, let's get together here on this thread for "Ol' Times Sake".

You game?

Shill accounts are fine with me.

Hoss is busy tracking down potential Reindeer Bullfight Candidates in Ashtabula, so he won't notice. #hello#

Come on guys, let's party! #bash3#




Opportunity lost, my good man.

The Corral was the magnet and those with information were the steel.

But the pressure to (correctly) please en masse led to a suppression order of free will.

The mojo's lost, CG... And the brew master has retired.

Better luck next time to the Corral...

[The Charlton Guy]

Opportunity lost, my good man.

The Corral was the magnet and those with information were the steel.

But the pressure to (correctly) please en masse led to a suppression order of free will.

The mojo's lost, CG... And the brew master has retired...

The mojo may be lost, but the information is still out there. So is the book in question.

The only questions I have left? Where is it? How much resto did CGC find? And how much did Todd get for it?

I suppose only DDs hairdresser knows for sure.



Good to hear from you MC!

[Hepcat]

You got it.

So what the hell was the issue in this convoluted thread anyway? I take it that someone was selling a Detective 27 on Ebay, and that particular someone was suspected of being a well known fraud artist on Ebay, and someone else - a dealer I think - said he passed on purchasing the lot that included this Detective 27 because he thought the provenance was suspicious, and then Mr. Bedrock pronounced this to be the sour grapes of a fellow who had failed to step up for the lot and was then outbid. And now they've all been banned except for Mr. Bedrock, who hasn't shown anymore interest in posting on this forum anyway, perhaps because of this thread. Do I have it right?

:confused:

[The Charlton Guy]

Pretty much...:?

But in my book, as the thing was coming down, the big question was not where the TEC27 went, it was whether or not the OTHER GA books in the lot made themselves magically unrestored and CGC slabbed just days after the transactions came down in PA. At one time, I had pretty solid evidence that they did, but two computers later, that's all gone now. Maybe Eide held onto some of the pics and info, I don't know. But I do know that that Supes issue with the check mark on the cover made the rounds on a regular basis in the year after the initial sale of the lot. Ahhhhh...love them GA Blue Labels...:?

But Hep, this had nothing whatsoever to do with Feebay (at least initially, I haven't kept track for over a year). This was a walk-in gig. In Pensylvania.

I would still like to know where the floppy-cornered TEC27 is though. I seriously doubt that Todd still has it, but who knows...

[Hepcat]

Ahhhhh...love them GA Blue Labels...:?


What infuriates me most is that the older the book, the looser CGC's grading standards become. For whatever reason CGC has opted to embrace the "Well it's NM for its age" self-serving argument that so infuriated me when I first heard it being promulgated by dealers. If a book is showing its age, its not NM. That grade means a book looks fresh off the rack.

:x

[Evil Parsnip]

Wait is this the same book the cops announced today was the one stolen from Nicholas Cage more than a decade ago? Found in a storage locker in California?

[toz1960]

Wait is this the same book the cops announced today was the one stolen from Nicholas Cage more than a decade ago? Found in a storage locker in California?
The Cage book was Action #1 that all the news was about.Never heard if he had a Tec 27.

[Evil Parsnip]

hmm.. the article I saw listed it as a Detective 27, maybe someone got a little excited and mistyped.

[pasnat54]

The LA Times said Cage had a Detective #1 and Detective #27 stolen as well.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-superman-20110412-1,0,1343906.story

This story is unique in the the Times' headline writers have an annoying habit of saying "Holy this!" or "Holy that!" whenever they publish a comic book story. Drives their main geek writer Geoff Boucher crazy.

Apparently Cage has the first option on buying it back from the insurance company. I hope he has the financial wherewithal to do so. I heard he was in a lot of money trouble a few years ago.

[Quato]

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[Hepcat]

Wasn't there some rumour floating around a few years ago that Cage had purchased a bunch of Golden Age books through Metropolis comics that turned out to have had restoration and that Metropolis provided Cage with financial compensense to avoid a very messy, headline garnering lawsuit?

:confused:

[Quato]

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[Evil Parsnip]

Restoration never had such a bad name until CGC and the whole slabbed book thing took off with some crazy collectors paying premiums of multiple times the established values for a book. Hell I restored books and had books restored in the 70s and early 80s. It wasn't about resale, it was about enjoying the books.

[The Charlton Guy]

Restoration never had such a bad name until CGC and the whole slabbed book thing took off with some crazy collectors paying premiums of multiple times the established values for a book. Hell I restored books and had books restored in the 70s and early 80s. It wasn't about resale, it was about enjoying the books.

Agreed. Hi Doc! #hello#

And about preserving the books for future generations, regardless of the impact on "value". Now it's all about slipping one by the buyer in order to get "multiple times the established values for a book". Reading, enjoying, preserving, appreciating the artwork and story doesn't even come into play these days it seems. Money, money, money...slabs, slabs, slabs...money, money, money, slabs, slabs, slabs, flip, flip, flip, slab, slab, slab, flip flip flip, slab, slab, slab, record price, record price, record price, blah, blah, blah...#bash2#...that' the CGC comoc collecting world in 2011. #gross#

[Hepcat]

And about preserving the books for future generations, regardless of the impact on "value". Now it's all about slipping one by the buyer in order to get "multiple times the established values for a book". Reading, enjoying, preserving, appreciating the artwork and story doesn't even come into play these days it seems. Money, money, money...slabs, slabs, slabs...money, money, money, slabs, slabs, slabs, flip, flip, flip, slab, slab, slab, flip flip flip, slab, slab, slab, record price, record price, record price, blah, blah, blah...#bash2#...that' the CGC comoc collecting world in 2011. #gross#

Well said. I fully agree.

#rockon#

And too many posters (but not all I hasten to add) on that other board have bought into that mentality.

:x

[illuminated]

Was there a Detective 27 somewhere in this thread?

[Evil Parsnip]

Was there a Detective 27 somewhere in this thread?

Are you sure you have there right thread? :)

[The Charlton Guy]

Was there a Detective 27 somewhere in this thread?

I will have to dig to find my scans of the book.

But in the meantime, here's a a link to a Youtube video of a newscast on Todd and the book in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDrbFX5e79Y

You'll see more video links regarding the book in the Youtube related links, including Eide's accusations.

[illuminated]

Wasn't there some rumour floating around a few years ago that Cage had purchased a bunch of Golden Age books through Metropolis comics that turned out to have had restoration and that Metropolis provided Cage with financial compensense to avoid a very messy, headline garnering lawsuit?

:confused:

There is now.

That's how rumors work.

[Hepcat]

But in the meantime, here's a a link to a Youtube video of a newscast on Todd and the book in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDrbFX5e79Y

You'll see more video links regarding the book in the Youtube related links, including Eide's accusations.

All well and good but is still doesn't explain why Paul A was frothing at the mouth about this comic and why AceVentura had any interest in calling attention to Paul A's posts on I think another forum.

:confused:

And whatever happened to the Detective 27 anyway? Was it sold to someone else? Was it eventually checked for restoration by a neutral third-party?

[The Charlton Guy]

And whatever happened to the Detective 27 anyway? Was it sold to someone else? Was it eventually checked for restoration by a neutral third-party?I heard that it is currently residing in a Comic Book Museum in East Ashtabula.

[razz]

What's this all about? I left the hobby a couple years after cgc ruined it. Haven't bought a comic since then or read anything about the hobby. Could someone quickly summarize this Tec 27 business?

Thanks to all. You are my biggest fans.

[kwm: The one and only VoR]

Two Pittsburgh comic dealers.

One buys a Tec 27 off the street.

Big national news story.

But then the other dealer - Eide - says "Hey - that was brought into my shop first, but I passed cuz it was trimmed."

So the guy that bought it got pizzed at Eide.

Eide then proposed a bet, saying he was SURE it was trimmed, and would pay x amount if he was wrong after competent 3rd party inspection.

That's the last I heard.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe Eide. He made himself look like an ass, and I don't think he'd go that far if he wasn't pretty dam sure he was right.

I think that's pretty close, but I wasn't paying that much attention, so please correct me - anybody - if you know more about it.

[razz]

Two Pittsburgh comic dealers.

One buys a Tec 27 off the street.

Big national news story.

But then the other dealer - Eide - says "Hey - that was brought into my shop first, but I passed cuz it was trimmed."

So the guy that bought it got pizzed at Eide.

Eide then proposed a bet, saying he was SURE it was trimmed, and would pay x amount if he was wrong after competent 3rd party inspection.

That's the last I heard.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe Eide. He made himself look like an ass, and I don't think he'd go that far if he wasn't pretty dam sure he was right.

I think that's pretty close, but I wasn't paying that much attention, so please correct me - anybody - if you know more about it.
Thanks.

He should send it in to cgc. I'm sure he'd have no trouble getting a blue label..LOL

[Hepcat]

Well Heritage wouldn't anyway.

;)