The CGC forum "Robojo vigil"

[AceVentura]

Originally Posted By: Flaming_Telepath
Originally Posted By: Calamerica
I won a few Silver age books from him.

Did real well by me...

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Have them slabbed yet, Cal? http://boards.collectors-society.com/images/graemlins/default/confused-smiley-013.gif



Yeah I got a SILVER SURFER # 5 CGC 9.6 out of him so far...

no plods yet...

I need to go back on the Paypal records because I have so many transactions I can't remember them all...

This SS 5 CGC 9.6 just came back with the last shipment and was very happy.

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Ixnay, Cal. That's definitely NOT what they wanted to hear!! ;)

[stupidman]

LOL! You're gonna trust what Cal says? You think he'd tell the truth if it made him look (more) foolish? Not gonna happen. Find someone who's well-respected who we can trust and you may have a case.

[AceVentura]

Far more buyers from the CGC forums other than Cal have won and submitted books from Robojo auctions. Maybe they don't want to step forward and be "accused of supporting know felons", like Cal was? A search through Robo's feedback will show this, if you know your fellow forumite's ebay handles.

How bizarre and picciune of the CGC forum members to make a political issue out of buying a comic. Cal's not out of line for buying the books he wants. You guys are for having the gall to try dictating whom he can and can't buy from, especially if he's had good results.

You guys are amazing. If some states that they did great, you say, "no you didn't, you only think you did great". If they say, "CGC thought I did great too", you say, "they must have missed the resto. Send it back to them for another look, and then another, and then another, and the," etc..
If they say, "I had a problem", they're AUTOMATICALLY accepted as Gospel, even if their words are all distorted. Amazing!

I may be wrong, but thusfar, nobody that I've heard of has come forward with a Robojo problem. What is that? 9 months now? About 300 to 350 books? That's ALOT of salt isn't it. How silly you people are and you know who you look even SILLIER to? The people who are WINNING and submitting the books!!

[AceVentura]

LOL! You're gonna trust what Cal says? You think he'd tell the truth if it made him look (more) foolish? Not gonna happen. Find someone who's well-respected who we can trust and you may have a case.

SURE! Why not? Ridiculing CK and Robojo and making wild accusations is the CGC forum official sport and a long standing tradition. It took balls for Cal to state what he did and fly in the face of CGC forum tradition and convention. If he wanted to garner all of your collective praise and adulation, all he would have to do is post that either I or Robojo bounced this trimmed book and that color touched book on him.

In other words, he would have LIED. But his word obviously means more to him than any of you over there so rather than accept his praise for another "horror story", he told the truth, which didn't fly well with y'all.

So instead of receiving a bunch of #allhailme#, you all gave him :mad:

Nobody there is waiting to ridicule either a CK or Robojo buyer for doing poorly. The ridicule and disbelief is reserved for when they do WELL, it seems.

[AceVentura]

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All that means is either he has finally managed to get rid of all his RESTORED copies to all the unsuspecting collectors and now all he finally has left are unrestored copies to sell or he still has restored copies and is selling them in private sells. My money is on the latter. Hey i bet Aceventura didnt want to hear that.


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First off, Why should I mind hearing it? It's the CGC forum NationalAnthem. I've heard it before and I guess will always hear it. And secondly, who are we talking about? Robojo or CK?
Thirdly, I don't mind listening to cockamamie theories about trimmed and CT'ed books being bounced by the thousands here, there, and everywhere anymore than I mind listening to stories about alien encounters. Some folks actually believe those type of nonsensical, impractical rubbish. I certainly don't place any validity to the absurd. :roll:

[oxbladder]

Robojo or CK?

Is there a difference? You stand up for him like you have a vested interest. Oh wait of course you have a vested interest in yourself.

[AceVentura]

Is there a difference? You stand up for him like you have a vested interest. Oh wait of course you have a vested interest in yourself.

Are you asking me if there is a difference between three different people? :roll:

Are we going to start THAT again? Is the Robojo vigil, the CGC forum investigation for any signs of Robojo wrongdoing going so poorly for the CGC forumites after 350 of his sales that we're moving back to CK? Who hasn't sold anything on Ebay last October? Or do you want to discuss old Fantazia/DD sales from the 80s and early 90s, when, from what I understand about that time period, everybody routinely bounced restored books on each other left and right because nobody really cared at that time.

[The Charlton Guy]

Thirdly, I don't mind listening to cockamamie theories about trimmed and CT'ed books being bounced by the thousands here, there, and everywhere anymore than I mind listening to stories about alien encounters. Some folks actually believe those type of nonsensical, impractical rubbish. I certainly don't place any validity to the absurd. :roll:

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You see, people aren't seeing the forest for the trees. Raw books immediately come under suspicion. They're put under the microscope, the book and the seller. Scrutinized carefully. The books that have already been blue labeled aren't suspected at all, right? Even if it's an early Silver age Marvel that's so small, it fits comfortably in a modern well! And they remain above suspicion until you make the mistake of cracking one out and sending it to Sue for evaluation and then find out that you opened Pandora's box instead of a blue label slab. Those are the ones that can hurt you. Who do you get your money back from when that happens? Or is that not a rip off? Or did you rip yourself off by cracking open the slab?

It doesn't happen often but you wait and see. If you want to project 5, 10, 20, 50 years into the future, then lets. What happens when there's a real, viable, respected second comic grading service and same like in coins and cards, collectors start cross submitting between CGC and "GCG" because there's financial incentive to crack and cross submit.

Do you know what's going to happen? It's going to be like the night of the living dead! Like if Sue were to get her hands on the 900,000 blue label books that CGC has passed and put them under her scrutiny. Then you'd see some shit that would stampede people in this hobby to the suicide hotlines in droves. Just the ones that don't get rid of the hot-potatoes before word gets out. And of course, it wouldn't get out that fast because people would be pre-occupied with whether or not a raw seller is offering a comic with undisclosed trim that really isn't trimmed at all. It'd be like post WW1 Germany in this hobby. Atonal music would make a comeback. You could relive the 1980s and buy that high grade AF 15 for $1000 again.
It'd be just like what happened to coins in the 1990s!

:roll:

[AceVentura]

Obviously, something is going on with Robojo that's more than "mine salting". I know that the CGC forum must catalog each and every one of his auctions, sales, and feedbacks, examining each and every detail for ANY sign of perceptible discrepency.

How many books has he moved since selling on Ebay? About 350 or so. Well? That SHOULD be enough to cement SOME kind of system to what he's doing.

Were you able to find scans of books he altered? Befores and afters? Ya'll stated he was buying CGC, cracking, and salting the mine by selling at the same or a lesser grade than the CGC label. Have you come across anything definite? CG sure has been trying, and he's as smart as ANYBODY on the CGC Forum and he hasn't been able to find anything.

All these people making a concerted effort to crawl up Robojo's butt with a magnifying glass to find selling indiscretions or anything that even resembles a possible indescretion and after all the speculation about how dishonest he is, what have you got, 350 sales later and STILL counting?

ANYTHING?? Any LEADS at least? Or are the books all sound and Robojo squeaky clean? Maybe alot squeakier and cleaner than 99% of the sellers on Ebay?

Seriously. Any Robo horror stories to yet declare?

And you call pointing this out "sticking up" for someone?

[AceVentura]

You see, people aren't seeing the forest for the trees. Raw books immediately come under suspicion. They're put under the microscope, the book and the seller. Scrutinized carefully. The books that have already been blue labeled aren't suspected at all, right?

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This is probably the most definitively prophetic statement I've ever made. Those entire three paragraphs of which the above is from that CG quoted.

[The Charlton Guy]

You see, people aren't seeing the forest for the trees. Raw books immediately come under suspicion. They're put under the microscope, the book and the seller. Scrutinized carefully. The books that have already been blue labeled aren't suspected at all, right?

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This is probably the most definitively prophetic statement I've ever made.

If you are talking about the second portion of the quote (the "atonal music" bit), I tend to agree with you. Strongly.

But isn't this particular quote in the same "cockamamie theory" category?

You seem to be doing an about face and saying that trimming and color-touch is not a widespread issue.

[oxbladder]

Not to mention his sudden about face on CGC. There was a time when he was only too happy to go on the attack.

I just don't see the reason why CK would be so ready to go on the "defense" of robojo33. I mean there are plenty of sellers on eBay and other online stores that get picked on but CK chooses robojo33 to stand up for and gather more dirt on his enemies. I would think that if he didn't have any sort of connections to this "Perry Stroud" .... who appears to not be in the public information stream anywhere ... he would give two s**ts what happens to him. Like I said forums go off on sellers all the time and he choose this one particular seller to spout about.

The more he spouts about "Perry" the more the "conspiracy" will deepen. It's like The Shadow Knows on the CGC forums trying to absolve PGX for dirty deeds that a former/current employee did. In his crusade to "let the people know" he probably dug a deeper hole for PGX though I believe he never intended that. (For what its worth that is since many believe him to be none other than Terrence Leder)

[AceVentura]

Not to mention his sudden about face on CGC. There was a time when he was only too happy to go on the attack.

I just don't see the reason why CK would be so ready to go on the "defense" of robojo33. I mean there are plenty of sellers on eBay and other online stores that get picked on but CK chooses robojo33 to stand up for and gather more dirt on his enemies. I would think that if he didn't have any sort of connections to this "Perry Stroud" .... who appears to not be in the public information stream anywhere ... he would give two s**ts what happens to him. Like I said forums go off on sellers all the time and he choose this one particular seller to spout about.

The more he spouts about "Perry" the more the "conspiracy" will deepen. It's like The Shadow Knows on the CGC forums trying to absolve PGX for dirty deeds that a former/current employee did. In his crusade to "let the people know" he probably dug a deeper hole for PGX though I believe he never intended that. (For what its worth that is since many believe him to be none other than Terrence Leder)

The point that you seem to be conveniently missing is that I didn't choose ANYBODY to "defend". The CGC forumites have decided to lump CK, DD, and now Robojo all together and for some reason every sentence about Robo or DD is linked and referenced to CK. Should I IGNORE this just to be coy? Should I NOT mention the obvious fact that the overwhelming evidence thusfar shows Robojo to be an exemplory seller, just because someone might say, "LOOK! He's praising Robojo. he MUST be Robojo!!". I've openly praised Josh (C-LINK), calling him the best in the business. Does that mean I'm C-Link?

I didn't just one day decide to start "promoting" Robojo. Did you forget how all this discourse started? It started with ACCUSATIONS. First against CK, as always for the past 6 years, and then in July, it started against Robojo, with CK being constantly LINKED to Robojo.

I don't HAVE to defend a seller whose chain you can't find a weak link on. SO if I happen to point out the guy's feedback, his books, which to me all look fine a per the scans, and the FACT that after 350 of his sales, y'all have NOTHING on the guy, despite the combined efforts of 35 comic detectives. That's not defending. That's a fact. The evidence shows that your Robo wrongdoing allegations are total horse manure and you now it.

Out of 10,000 books CK has sold, the majority being high grade unslabbed silver age, well under 1&#37; have been returned purple or green. That's a MUCH better average than CGC's with Ewert's submissions. Less than 1% is probably much better than MOST ebayers on raw high grade, expernsive books, the ones that are most likely to have some type of unseen work on them. You realize that, don't you?

So y'all dwell on that less than 1% instead of the more than 99% the same way you dwell and obssess over Robojo faux pas, even though there ARE none to speak of thusfar and likely won't be anytime soon.

So since every post on the CGC forum and here in some way inexhorably "links" me to Robojo, and y'all insist that he's crooked, what I must point out is that CK's return rate for resto was actually extremely negligible based on VOLUME, and there's no evidence presented as of yet that tangibly links Robo, who is lumped in with me by y'all, to any wrongdoing thusfar, despite all your best efforts to dig up dirt.

Further, I NEVER said that I wanted for CGC to go out of business. I was critical of them based on my observations and levied criticism when deserved.

I'll make you a deal. I won't mention DD or robojo is you STOP addressing me as either one and STOP alluding to Robo's sales being CK sales. It's realy quite simple to do. You see, here's the chronologcal business selling years of the three seller:

Fantazia/DD: approx 1982 to approx 1994
CK: 2000 to 2006
Roboo: 2007

If you don't say, "CK just sold this and that" and link one of Robo's auctions, or "Look at what that crook CK is doing on Ebay" and then link one of Robo's auctions, then I have no need to say ANYTHING, as you wish.

As soon as someone does this: CK/Robo, or Hammer/Robo/DD, etc., etc., I feel compelled to post FACTS. If you don't do that, leave the CK out of these Robojo discussions, then I have no reason for posting anything further on it. Is that difficult to understand?

This way we can talk strictly about CK and CK's sales from 2000 through 2006.

[AceVentura]

If you are talking about the second portion of the quote (the "atonal music" bit), I tend to agree with you. Strongly.

But isn't this particular quote in the same "cockamamie theory" category?

You seem to be doing an about face and saying that trimming and color-touch is not a widespread issue.

CG, I didn't mean that. Of course it's a widespread problem and since my eye is most sensitive to it, I see it EVERYWHERE.

As I've said before, the slab's INNER WELL, and the way the book lines up against it is what keyed off my seeing the Ewert trims. OUT of the slab, it would have been FAR more difficult to detect. It was just one particular "tell" about that particular guy that was trimming all the Ewert books (and ALOT more books in blue slabs that I've seen NOT sold by Ewert to my knowledge). UNSLABBED scans, believe it or not, are more difficult to distinguish trim on because the reference points are missing.

There's alot of trimmed books in CGC blue and PGX blue slabs, and 100X more than the two services combined floating on Ebay each and every week. Yes. It IS a big problem. What I said was that 20 years ago, it wasn't that much of a problem because the price differences between restored and unrestored were minimal.

[ciorac]

Can we get Perry to post here?

[AceVentura]

Can we get Perry to post here?

I think he's the only smart one. Aside from some posting on the Ebay Forums, a dialog with CG over a wager on whether or not an FF #23 that he auctioned was trimmed or not, and by the way, the thread removed by Ebay, he's sensibly remained mute and let his sales, merchandise, feedback, and the buyer's CGC submittal results do the talking.

What's Perry going to say? The books are all resto-free, win one, be pleased with what you get and get a blue label return? And he's so sure that they are before he lists them and sends them out that he's willing to PAY for all expenses, grading fees and postage if they're not? After about 350 to 400 of his Ebay sales and all the Forumites digging for non-existant dirt, y'all should already KNOW that, without Perry having to say so, right?

I think he's smart NOT to subject himself to accusations where none are warranted, and keep pumping out the blue label bound, high grade raw books, each blue label finding, over and over, like one more little nail in the CGC forum member's Robojo conspiracy coffin.

[The Charlton Guy]

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[ciorac]

I think he's the only smart one. Aside from some posting on the Ebay Forums, a dialog with CG over a wager on whether or not an FF #23 that he auctioned was trimmed or not, and by the way, the thread removed by Ebay, he's sensibly remained mute and let his sales, merchandise, feedback, and the buyer's CGC submittal results do the talking.

What's Perry going to say? The books are all resto-free, win one, be pleased with what you get and get a blue label return? And he's so sure that they are before he lists them and sends them out that he's willing to PAY for all expenses, grading fees and postage if they're not? After about 350 to 400 of his Ebay sales and all the Forumites digging for non-existant dirt, y'all should already KNOW that, without Perry having to say so, right?

I think he's smart NOT to subject himself to accusations where none are warranted, and keep pumping out the blue label bound, high grade raw books, each blue label finding, over and over, like one more little nail in the CGC forum member's Robojo conspiracy coffin.

I wonder if he is related to my old friend Terry Stroud? Now Terry was a guy you could really trust back in the old days. Very knowlegeable about comics history as well. I don't recall him having a brother named Perry though.

Perhaps Robojo took the name in homage to Terry?

[AceVentura]

I wonder if he is related to my old friend Terry Stroud? Now Terry was a guy you could really trust back in the old days. Very knowlegeable about comics history as well. I don't recall him having a brother named Perry though.

Perhaps Robojo took the name in homage to Terry?

I'd sooner believe CG's pictograph below than that explanation. :)

Perhaps Perry ISN'T his first name. I knew one guy whose birth name was Samuel Scott Steinberg. He didn't like his first name and used S.Scott Steinberg, later dropping the S. altogether to just Scott Steinberg.

Perhaps Perry is a derivision of his first name, short for Percival. Have the CGC forum detectives explored these first name/middle name variant possibilities?

Then again, maybe it's a case of his changing his name altogether like a movie star or writer. It's been done thousands of times. Ben Kingsley's real name is Krishna Banji, similar but definitely not the same, and I can't even begin to pronounce Jack Palance's real last name (Eskimo?).

What's in a name anyway. It's the books he sells that should speak for the seller, right?

If he ever decides to sign up to a message board, I guess you can ask him for the answer among other third degree-type grilling. I certainly can't speak for him. I can simply make rational guesses. #allhailme#

[ciorac]

I'd sooner believe CG's pictograph below than that explanation. :)

Perhaps Perry ISN'T his first name. I knew one guy whose birth name was Samuel Scott Steinberg. He didn't like his first name and used S.Scott Steinberg, later dropping the S. altogether to just Scott Steinberg.

Perhaps Perry is a derivision of his first name, short for Percival. Have the CGC forum detectives explored these first name/middle name variant possibilities?

Then again, maybe it's a case of his changing his name altogether like a movie star or writer. It's been done thousands of times. Ben Kingsley's real name is Krishna Banji, similar but definitely not the same, and I can't even begin to pronounce Jack Palance's real last name (Eskimo?).

What's in a name anyway. It's the books he sells that should speak for the seller, right?

If he ever decides to sign up to a message board, I guess you can ask him for the answer among other third degree-type grilling. I certainly can't speak for him. I can simply make rational guesses. #allhailme#

I certainly don't know, and wasn't attempting to explain anything at all. Merely musing about the similarities of the names.

Truth be told, I don't know too much about Robojo other than what I have read on the boards (here and CGC), and the eBay thread that was pulled. I don't really buy much silver age anymore, nor do I chase high grade comics, so our paths probably won't cross.

Lots of conspiracy theories out there, I am just an interested observer and haven't "grilled" anyone about any of this, DD, you, or anyone else in this tangled web.

I do however, take a very dim view of anyone that would defraud members of a hobby that I hold dear, and would not shrink away or be intimidated by perpetrators of such crimes. Hammer would not be able to frighten me the way he did some of the poor souls on the CGC boards. That, Hammer can take to the bank.

[The Charlton Guy]

...I can simply make rational guesses. #allhailme#

And so can we! #allhailme#

Five months worth of them...#blahblah#...

[AceVentura]

I certainly don't know, and wasn't attempting to explain anything at all. Merely musing about the similarities of the names.

Truth be told, I don't know too much about Robojo other than what I have read on the boards (here and CGC), and the eBay thread that was pulled. I don't really buy much silver age anymore, nor do I chase high grade comics, so our paths probably won't cross.

Lots of conspiracy theories out there, I am just an interested observer and haven't "grilled" anyone about any of this, DD, you, or anyone else in this tangled web.

I do however, take a very dim view of anyone that would defraud members of a hobby that I hold dear, and would not shrink away or be intimidated by perpetrators of such crimes. Hammer would not be able to frighten me the way he did some of the poor souls on the CGC boards. That, Hammer can take to the bank.

We agree. I take a dim view of that too. But urban legend has it that I can make some pretty frightening faces. I'll bet if I popped out of the dark at you unexpectedly and made one of those faces with a flashlight held directly under my chin, I'd scare the BeJesus out of you!! :D

[mordo]

I think he's the only smart one. Aside from some posting on the Ebay Forums, a dialog with CG over a wager on whether or not an FF #23 that he auctioned was trimmed or not, and by the way, the thread removed by Ebay, he's sensibly remained mute and let his sales, merchandise, feedback, and the buyer's CGC submittal results do the talking.


Ace, do you and Perry still exchange emails? Why don't you invite him over to post and say a few words? Being that you've done business with him in the past, (and helped him out with his PayPal transactions,) I'm sure he'd show up if you just ask him.

Also, whatever became of that original wager and who won the bet?

[AceVentura]

Ace, do you and Perry still exchange emails? Why don't you invite him over to post and say a few words? Being that you've done business with him in the past, (and helped him out with his PayPal transactions,) I'm sure he'd show up if you just ask him.

Also, whatever became of that original wager and who won the bet?

Nobody won the bet because to the best of my knowledge, the winner never submitted it. He had stated something to the effect of his having collected for 30 years and being sure after examining it that no resto was present. Everybody involved, CG too, left off with him to let somebody know if ever sends it for grading.

If I'm not mistaken, after the entire thread disappeared on the Ebay forums and warnings were issued that accounts could be suspended, Perry had stated something to the effect of his message board days being over.

[ciorac]

We agree. I take a dim view of that too. But urban legend has it that I can make some pretty frightening faces. I'll bet if I popped out of the dark at you unexpectedly and made one of those faces with a flashlight held directly under my chin, I'd scare the BeJesus out of you!! :D

Glad to hear you feel the way I do Ace.

I've had plenty of scary looking guys pop out from the shadows at me in years past, some still above ground. After the first couple of times the fear effect wears off and is replaced by resolve. :mad:

[The Charlton Guy]

Nobody won the bet because to the best of my knowledge, the winner never submitted it. He had stated something to the effect of his having collected for 30 years and being sure after examining it that no resto was present. Everybody involved, CG too, left off with him to let somebody know if ever sends it for grading.

If I'm not mistaken, after the entire thread disappeared on the Ebay forums and warnings were issued that accounts could be suspended, Perry had stated something to the effect of his message board days being over.


You are mistaken. On both counts.

I contacted the winning bidder for the FF #23 and tried to arrange for either "Perry" or myself to pay the fees to have him submit the book to CGC.

The buyer seemed prety oblivious to the entire CGC submittal process, had no local LCS venue to submit though, was not willing to check out the mail-in submittal process, apparently not even knowing how to, or wanting to find out how go about it. "Perry" suggested that I ask the buyer if I could submit the book, but it would have been pretty crazy for the buyer to trust a total stranger (especially someone callled "The Charlton Guy") to handle a submittal for him.

Aside from a proposed $4,000 trip to Sarasota for said winner (this proposition made by "Perry"/Robojo as part of the original "wager"), I heard no more from this auction winner. But every attempt possible was made by me to see if this particular book (the source of the "CG/Robojo Wager" thread) could be submitted to CGC.

As for the disappearance of the "CG/Robojo" Feebay thread, I received no warnings of suspension from Feebay. The thread simply disappeared. Much like every other Feebay thread regarding Comic-Keys or Robojo33 has done in the last five years or so. You hit that report button enough times, and it will disappear. It's as simple as that.

[AceVentura]

Maybe one day it'll happen. Who knows? The buyer could decide to sell and get his books slabbed before doing so.

[bugsy]

Ace, do you and Perry still exchange emails? Why don't you invite him over to post and say a few words? Being that you've done business with him in the past, (and helped him out with his PayPal transactions,) I'm sure he'd show up if you just ask him.

Hello Everyone,
Just to say i will be coming on here to answer all the e-mails i have been getting regarding my brothers NIGHTMARE experience which has left him over £8,000 out of pocket real soon. I have a few things to sort out first, including a trip to the US, and when everything is done i will be continuing. I will give you the heads up when ive posted. However with regards to this thread i see that mordo's first question wasnt answered. I myself have have been wondering if Robojo33 has ever bought anything from anyone and then i saw a post by FT talking about Robojo33 where he states:-

' His name is Perry something-or-other. He bought some books from me on eBay a year or two ago, mainly raw early Silver. His payments usually came from Richard Koos, who alledgedly 'owed him money'. You do the math.'

I'll let you all ponder on this until i return.

Bugsy

[AceVentura]

Hello Everyone,
Just to say i will be coming on here to answer all the e-mails i have been getting regarding my brothers NIGHTMARE experience which has left him over &#163;8,000 out of pocket real soon. I have a few things to sort out first, including a trip to the US, and when everything is done i will be continuing. I will give you the heads up when ive posted. However with regards to this thread i see that mordo's first question wasnt answered. I myself have have been wondering if Robojo33 has ever bought anything from anyone and then i saw a post by FT talking about Robojo33 where he states:-

' His name is Perry something-or-other. He bought some books from me on eBay a year or two ago, mainly raw early Silver. His payments usually came from Richard Koos, who alledgedly 'owed him money'. You do the math.'

I'll let you all ponder on this until i return.

Bugsy

I'm not Robojo, but didn't WE (CK and you) do this in another thread? You're the guy that tried to extort/blackmail $150,000 from CK, right? You getting ready to attempt anther extortion? Since we're going to do it all over again, I'll copy and paste all the posts from THAT thread into a new one called the "Bugsy's attempts to extort CK thread", so we can see what we're re-hashing again. :roll:

[AceVentura]

Here we go, Buggsy:

http://www.comicscorral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1941

You now have your own "Bugsy extortion attempt" thread to vent, rant, rehash, and dwell on. This way we don't have to have it in a Robo vigil thread since Robo had absolutely nothing to do with your deal with CK.

I reposted all of the pertanent threads from the long thread that it originally appeared in for referencing and rehashing old times, over and over and over again.

I don't mind rehashing and examining each and every little detail, ever nuance of every word if you don't. Hell, of COURSE I don't mind. I'm not the extortionist in this never-ending saga, which should have been ended when Ilkin, the BUYER, not YOU, agreed upon and received his chosen remedy... his money back.

[silverage]

Hope this thread is still open. Check this out. Compare the comics that ny_motor_dude has purchased to the comics that robojo33 has or is selling. I sold motordude three unslabbed high grade books. Daredevil #7 8.0, Subby #1 9.4. Not a week later, robo had the exact same comics (photoshopped of course) for auction. DD#7 was a 9.2 now, and Subby #1 was a 9.8 I know they were mine because I could still make out little imperfections on his scans, and I still had my scans from my sales. Look into it, let me know what you think.

PS. ny_motor_dude wants you to mail the books to a different address than his paypal address! Hmmmm, maybe it's the same address as robojo's! :-)

[silverage]

Hope this thread is still open. Check this out. Compare the comics that ny_motor_dude has purchased to the comics that robojo33 has or is selling. I sold motordude three unslabbed high grade books. Daredevil #7 8.0, Subby #1 9.4. Not a week later, robo had the exact same comics (photoshopped of course) for auction. DD#7 was a 9.2 now, and Subby #1 was a 9.8 I know they were mine because I could still make out little imperfections on his scans, and I still had my scans from my sales. Look into it, let me know what you think.

PS. ny_motor_dude wants you to mail the books to a different address than his paypal address! Hmmmm, maybe it's the same address as robojo's! :-)

[The Charlton Guy]

Merrick, NY is eight miles from West Hempstead.

[The Charlton Guy]

For anybody who's still interested, here a link to the CGC thread where "Robojo" himself makes an appearance. You have to go back a few pages to catch his entrance. He was banned pretty quickly (a page or two after this one).

Of greater interest are the scans that begin at the bottom of the page, with CGC books from an ebay dealer who lives practically next door to "Robojo".

He too makes an entrance shortly after these scans were posted.

As yet, he has not been banned.

As with all CGC threads, this one is difficult on the eyes (and the stomach), but pretty interesting all the same...in a train wreck kind of way.

Here it be:

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2085953&page=1&fpart=32

[The Charlton Guy]

Sorry...that link in the last post goes to "Robojo's" appearance.

Here's a link to the thread with "NYC-Car-Dealer" and the scans (slabs) in question:

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2078330&page=1&fpart=9

[Hoss]

Hi silverage,

Welcome to the Corral!

[The Charlton Guy]

What Hoss said!

[GRINDER]

heres another fun link

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2949498&fpart=1

[spacecitycomics]

heres another fun link

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2949498&fpart=1


You're just stirring the shitpot. Good job :p

[GRINDER]

You're just stirring the shitpot. Good job :pnailed his hide in that thread#allhailme#

[spacecitycomics]

nailed his hide in that thread#allhailme#

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