The Green River Pedigree

[Red Hook]

For starters I am posting the short version of the backstory I wrote about this collection:

The Origin of the Green River Pedigree:
Short Version

William J. Stevens II and his brother Robert grew up in Spokane, Washington. Their father was the owner of a large pharmacy and the brothers "acquired" books for their collection by raiding the newstand in their father's store.

Fast forward twenty years, and William is the main suspect in the notorious Green River serial killings. He is eventually cleared of suspicion, despite his questionable life style. His lawyer, Craig C. Beles (who was paid virtually nothing for his services as attorney), is named Steven's personal representative in his will.

William J. Steven's dies in prison in 1991 from cancer at the age of 49. In order to pay off Steven's remaining debts, Beles begins liquidating the comic collection and sends letters to dealers he has seen listed in the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide, letting them know about the collection and that it is for sale. John Hauser and James Haack team up to buy the collection of approximately 1,600 books from Beles in 1993, and then advertise the collection in an ad in Comic Buyers Guide (See ad at link to Shin C. Kao's site below). The breakup of the collection begins.

It comes out later that Williams had sold approximately 800 books to Spokane dealer Craig Barnett, owner of The Comic Book Shop. Barnett had announced the collection in 1991 in one of his monthly reports for the Overstreet Monthly Price Guide Report.

[Red Hook]

Most Green River pedigree books contain a red date stamp. About 5% do not.

http://www.macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/ff63big.jpg

[djpinkpanther67]

Why do you have to post GR FFs? Especially books I NEED?

[topofthetotem]

Why do you have to post GR FFs? Especially books I NEED?#rofl#

[Red Hook]

Oh, jeez. My first posted Green River and I made someone sob. Sorry DJ! :(

[Red Hook]

This just goes to show that the Green River DC's are attractive books too! I've shown this many times, but those colors still knock me out.

http://macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/oaaw161big9.4.jpg

[djpinkpanther67]

Oh, jeez. My first posted Green River and I made someone sob. Sorry DJ! :(
It's okay Brad...just wish you could have eased into them by posting a different title #woohoo#first is all

[razorz000]

First off VERY-VERY NICE BOOKS #cheers#

Second please tell more about these kinds of books because I've really never knew about them (not that I can afford them) but love to read about the start of collection like this & white mountain & so on.

Thank you for some great reading RED #clap#

[Red Hook]

Hi Razor....

You know, if you keep your head up, you can sometimes pick up pedigree books for little more than regular books. Within some of the bigger collections there will be books that aren't quite up to par mechanically, but still exhibit those fresh pages and colors that their higher grade brothers and sisters do.

I'm working out of my home office today, but tomorrow, I will post some examples of books from the Pacific Coast, Curator, Bethlehem and Winnipeg SA pedigrees. Some of these I picked up for $50 or less. I think you'll find these books interesting.

If you look on Ebay right now....you'll find some lower grade Curator pedigree books for sale by Mr. John Hauser, one of the original buyers of the Curator pedigree books and the Green River books. Here's a link to just one of them....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marvel-Super-Heroes-15-VF-Curator-Pedigree-WHITE_W0QQitemZ6569465874QQihZ017QQcategoryZ75QQrd Z1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2 em118Q2el1247 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=4&campid=5335809863&toolid=10001&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FMarvel-Super-Heroes-15-VF-Curator-Pedigree-WHITE_W0QQitemZ6569465874QQihZ017QQcategoryZ75QQrd Z1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2 em118Q2el1247)

[MutantKeys]

Wazzup Red

[Red Hook]

Hiya Danny!

Here are two copies of Amazing Spider-Man #10. One was assigned a pedigree designation on the label by CGC...the other copy was graded without the designation. This usually occurs when the submittor is either unaware of the books lineage...or simply isn't that interested in it. As I've stated elsewhere, the date stamps on the Green River books are like fingerprints...much more distinctive and unique than one might generally think. I've personally identified over a dozen slabbed Green Rivers that did not have the notation on the label.


http://www.macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/asm10sgreenrivers.jpg

[Dad&Son]

Hey Brad,

I can always give you a better scan of that Tec #311 that is a Greenie if you need.

[Red Hook]

That would be great! Thanks!

[Duffman_Comics]

Not a desperate attempt to bump the post count (again) but a genuine query.

The outlet that stamped the GR's obviously had a few copies of each book.

Did the Original Owner pick up more than one copy of each issue?

Are the OO's books acknowledged as the best of the GR's?

If there is no date stamp, how can they be detected?

Thanks in advance.

I cannot believe how rapid your promotion here has been:mrgreen:

[mordo]

I have a question too.

Did the pharmacy use the red date stamp on all of the comics they sold? If so, is there a possibility there are high grade non-Green River books circulating with the red date stamp?

[Red Hook]

Hey, Duffman. Good to see you!

In some cases there were multiple copies of each book. It is really only the OO books coming from the source that make up the pedigree.

As far as the unstamped books, the provenance is of utmost importance... they need to have been traced back to the original owner, and ultimately the sale to Haack and Hauser by the OO's attorney. The original sales manifests exist so there is a lot of documentation on those.

The books that the OO sold before he passed away, to Craig Barnett's LCS, were seeded into the regular bins of books sold at the store. So if those didn't have date stamps, they're virtually impossible to trace this far down the road.

Hope that helps!

Red

[Red Hook]

Russ... I forgot (duh) that I already have a scan of the book you own and requested to be posted. Here it is... a gorgeous copy of Marvel Superheroes #1...acquired on Ebay for, as I recall, a reasonable price. Really nice!

Red

http://www.macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/marvelsuperheroes1big.jpg

[Duffman_Comics]

Hey, Duffman. Good to see you!

In some cases there were multiple copies of each book. It is really only the OO books coming from the source that make up the pedigree.

As far as the unstamped books, the provenance is of utmost importance... they need to have been traced back to the original owner, and ultimately the sale to Haack and Hauser by the OO's attorney. The original sales manifests exist so there is a lot of documentation on those.

The books that the OO sold before he passed away, to Craig Barnett's LCS, were seeded into the regular bins of books sold at the store. So if those didn't have date stamps, they're virtually impossible to trace this far down the road.

Hope that helps!

Red

Thanks, nearly answered all the questions.

Did the original owner GR collection contain multiple copies of any single issue?

You are getting better at this. I know it's a steep learning curve for me.

[Red Hook]

Yes...the collection had up to 8 or 9 copies of some issues as I recall... although the majority of the books were one issue only...

Some highlights...

Six copies of Avengers #22.

Six copies of Fantastic Four #45

Nine copies of Fantastic Four Annual #3

Four copies each of Sgt. Fury #24 and #25.

Nine copies of Strange Tales #138

Five copies of Tales to Astonish #73

Six copies of Tales to Astonish #75

and it goes on. I think you get the idea. :p

Red

[Red Hook]

Here's a look at one of my fave books in my entire collection...which I acquired through the kindness of one of the nicest guys on the boards across the street...Namisgr....aka Bob Siman.

There are two copies of this book in the Green River collection...this one and a 9.6 floating around out there...

http://www.macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/asm29.9.2big.jpg

[Red Hook]

...here are three of the nine copies of Strange Tales #138 in the collection... including one raw copy. Note how the date stamps are all differently positioned. Interesting to think that these books arrived in the same stack almost 42 years ago, and are back together again.

Apologies for the wide image...

Red

http://www.macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/threestrangetales138grs.jpg

[Red Hook]

Here's a starter for the weekend... the Green River copy of ASM 56.

http://macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/asm56big.jpg

[Red Hook]

http://macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/asmann1bbig.jpg

[Red Hook]

A quartet of Green River Thors:

This is one of my favorite covers in the run...

http://macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/thor130big.jpg

[Red Hook]

Whiter than white...


http://macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/thor135big.jpg

[Red Hook]

Another white background cover...


http://macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/thor140big.jpg

[Red Hook]

Last but not least...


http://macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/thor148big.jpg

[Duffman_Comics]

Gorgeous books Brad. Yes the Thor's are beautiful, but for mine I'd love to have the ASM Annual (I know it's only a 7.0).

A wonderful book that gave Spidey (and Marvel) a great big boost back in the day. Still (IMHO) the best Annual Marvel has ever produced.

Grade be buggered. Can you imagine the competition for this issue on spinner racks when it was released?

My 12c

[Red Hook]

What you meant to say, it's your 25 cents! :-) I love that ASM annual...and it's the first copy of that book I've ever owned! There were two copies of that issue in the Green River collection that sold to Haack and Houser, but I wouldn't be suprised if there were more copies floating around. The brothers LOVED to stockpile the 25 cent books, thinking they would get more money for them when they sold them.

Red

[MutantKeys]

Great Books, Brad!

[sckao]

What you meant to say, it's your 25 cents! :-) I love that ASM annual...and it's the first copy of that book I've ever owned! There were two copies of that issue in the Green River collection that sold to Haack and Houser, but I wouldn't be suprised if there were more copies floating around. The brothers LOVED to stockpile the 25 cent books, thinking they would get more money for them when they sold them.

Red


Haack and Hauser did not receive any ASM Annuals. The Annuals are on their list (page #2 of the manifest) but they never received the annuals apparently since I received all the ones listed. Two #1s, One #2, and One #4.

I believe Haack corroborated this in an e-mail to me in 2003.

(All of this info is in the reference materials... which is something you should know.)

I sold the ASM Annual #1. The other one I sold to a person from CA who had many of his comics stolen/sold by his wife. He was a big spender some years ago at the various SF Bay Area cons, notable for the large wads of cash he carried around (and his baby stroller).

[Hoss]

Welcome to the Corral, sckao!

[Red Hook]

Actually Shin, I did not remember that. When are you going to update your GR pdf list? Been about five years now. Due for an update.

How many Green Rivers do you have left? Sold most of them, right?


Red

[Red Hook]

Great Books, Brad!

Thanks, Danny! Good to hear from you!

Brad

[MutantKeys]

Thanks, Danny! Good to hear from you!

Brad I would post more, but there are too many sweet games here #woohoo#

[Red Hook]

Enjoy!

[sckao]

Actually Shin, I did not remember that. When are you going to update your GR pdf list? Been about five years now. Due for an update.

How many Green Rivers do you have left? Sold most of them, right?


Red

I have no plans to update the PDF list. The list is what it is... a list of the books Haack and Hauser received and the books I later received. Personally, I think this list should constitute the definitive Green River Pedigree List. The other books sold to the comic shop referenced in the Overstreet report or sold directly from the store, while interesting historically, shouldn't be considered part of the pedigree.

I have one Green River book left, the Wild Wild West copy. I would say I've given away a fair amount of the Green River books I've had actually and sold most of them to friends. (I don't see why that's important really.)

[Red Hook]

You're certainly welcome to your opinion.

Have a nice day, Shin. ;)

[Red Hook]

This is the book Shin referenced, btw. Nice yellow.

http://www.macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/wwwest03big.jpg

[Red Hook]

Here's a Green River for a quiet Thursday afternoon... one of my fave TOS covers...

http://www.macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/tos84big.jpg

[Red Hook]

In honor of the other Green River copy of Daredevil #29 that sold on Comiclink yesterday... here is my copy. There were three copies of this issue listed in the original sales manifests... two have been slabbed so far. Mine has a misaligned wrap and the date stamp is in a different location on the cover than the one that went last night.

Red

http://www.macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/daredevil29big.jpg

[marvelguy]

DD #29

That book is nice!

[Red Hook]

Thanks! Wasn't cheap, but there aren't any 8.5 Greenies of this issue! :)

[Red Hook]

Here is the oldest Green River Sgt. Fury I own. Not the greatest condition, and the date stamp placement is actually pretty distracting. But there it is...

http://www.macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/sgtfury08big.jpg

[Red Hook]

Here's the Green River copy of Avengers 23:

http://macartistry.com/pedigrees/greenriver/avengers23big.jpg

[jimjum12]

Y ou sure have done some remarkable research on this group of books.Seems like you must have more than a passing fancy for these comics.I had heard that there were more than one copy of the FF 45 issue in this collection...do you know the exact number ? Also,do all the FF 45's have the same date stamped on them.Thank you so much.GOD BLESS...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)#angelic#

[mordo]

Hi jimjum12. Welcome to the Corral. Here is the answer to your question. It comes from page 2 of this thread. Do you happen to have a copy of FF #45 that you believe could be a Green River book? If so, please post a pic! :)


Yes...the collection had up to 8 or 9 copies of some issues as I recall... although the majority of the books were one issue only...

Some highlights...

Six copies of Avengers #22.

Six copies of Fantastic Four #45

Nine copies of Fantastic Four Annual #3

Four copies each of Sgt. Fury #24 and #25.

Nine copies of Strange Tales #138

Five copies of Tales to Astonish #73

Six copies of Tales to Astonish #75

and it goes on. I think you get the idea. :p

Red

[Red Hook]

Y ou sure have done some remarkable research on this group of books.Seems like you must have more than a passing fancy for these comics.I had heard that there were more than one copy of the FF 45 issue in this collection...do you know the exact number ? Also,do all the FF 45's have the same date stamped on them.Thank you so much.GOD BLESS...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)#angelic#

Hey Jimbo! Great to see you here! Mordo kind of answered your question. Yes, all the 45's have the same date stamped on them.

Best, Red

[Mjacobs8]

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x259/allwins858/Superman188CGC75WhiteGreenRiver.jpgAfter consulting with Pedigree expert RedHook, I was able to make a winning bid on this beautiful Superman 181 CGC 7.5 Green River.
I love the yellow cover.

[Duffman_Comics]

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x259/allwins858/Superman188CGC75WhiteGreenRiver.jpg
After consulting with Pedigree expert RedHook, I was able to make a winning bid on this beautiful Superman 181 CGC 7.5 Green River.
I love the yellow cover.

Beautiful book, MJ, couple of questions.

I can't see a date stamp. Was the GR provenance given to the book by way of a verifiable "chain of ownership"? Although I guess this question should be put to CGC. Which then makes me ask whether the grader's notes have that sort of info in them.

In Red's GR date list, I cannot see this book. Did Brad miss something or am I missing something?

[Mjacobs8]

Duffman, I'm going to double check a few things before I answer you. My understanding of the details of which you ask came second hand, and while good enough for me, I would not state them as facts.
Thanks for asking, these types of questions and the subsequent research needed to answer them , is why I like Pedigrees.

[Mjacobs8]

Now, before I give up on my amateur Green River detective mission, and beg RedHook to bail me out. I offer an example of a slabed GR without the notation on lable.(I'm stalling);)http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x259/allwins858/Avengers22CGC92OW-WGreenRiver.jpg

[Red Hook]

...hi guys.

The list of dates I compiled were of actual date stamps I had found on Green Rivers. There are a number of Greenies with no date stamp at all. And there are other stamped dates that I have just not seen yet.

To be labeled a pedigree by CGC, they would need that "chain of procurement", so that's how this one was identified. The submitter would have had to have provided CGC with some evidence that it was a Green River.

Red

[Red Hook]

And there are a number of Green Rivers without CGC's designation on the label, probably because the submitter didn't know it was a Green River, or didn't really care, or didn't provide enough backup documentation.

That Avengers 22 is a Green River.... compare it with the raw copy of the same book Harley Yee currently has for sale on ebay.... same date.

Red

[Red Hook]

As for JimJum's question, I can tell you from personal experience that half the Marvels in their lineup would come be delivered one week and then the other half would be delivered on an alternate week each month. They never all came out the same week.

Red

[Mjacobs8]

Last one, I don't care much for this title, human a spider ? Bah !http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x259/allwins858/AmazingSpider-man46GreenRiver70CGC.jpg

[Red Hook]

I like it. #woohoo##woohoo#

[DKB]

Sadly my Green River collection is meager. Two Spideys, two Furys and one of the 37 Strange Tales 138s. I may have others but I'm thinking that's it. Where are the sub #10 Furys? You have them all Red? =)

[DKB]

Now, before I give up on my amateur Green River detective mission, and beg RedHook to bail me out. I offer an example of a slabed GR without the notation on lable.(I'm stalling);)http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x259/allwins858/Avengers22CGC92OW-WGreenRiver.jpg



Speaking of a Green River Avengers #22. You too can own one for only twice guide!

http://cgi.ebay.com/AVENGERS-22-Marvel-1965-VF-NM-190-GREEN-RIVER_W0QQitemZ350089074546QQihZ022QQcategoryZ3272 6QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1 638Q2em118Q2el1247

[Red Hook]

You can.... but do you really want to? :)

[Red Hook]

Sadly my Green River collection is meager. Two Spideys, two Furys and one of the 37 Strange Tales 138s. I may have others but I'm thinking that's it. Where are the sub #10 Furys? You have them all Red? =)

I own #8 and #9 (raw) but that's it. They're not high grade copies, either.

I would love to know where all the Green River X-Men are..... I've never even laid eyes on a scan of most of them.

[Red Hook]

http://www.macartistry.com/corral/sgtfury08big.jpg


http://www.macartistry.com/corral/sgtfury09big.jpg

[Duffman_Comics]

OK, I got my lazy self organised and had a good look around the net so I now think I have a handle on the whole G.R. Pedigree.


I've read Red's article for Pedigree Comics http://www.pedigreecomics.com/article.php?article_id=8

There is a link to Shin's site that has copies of the original lists of the books bought by Hauser and Haack from Steven's (the original owner, or should that be thief?) attorney, Craig Beles. These lists do not include books that had earlier been sold to local dealer Craig Barnett.

So, let me know when I get it wrong. #professor#

If a book from the original lists turns up, has a date stamp and can be traced to Hauser and Haack or Barnett, it will be granted a GR Ped.

If it has no date stamp, but the issue still appears on the list and its provenance can be traced to Hauser/Haack/Barnett it may be granted a GR Ped.

No date stamp, no mention in the list, lost provenance - SOL.

Last question to you, Brad, I seem to remember you posting a pair of GR's being reunited, one well loved and read, the other CGC'ed. Since the Stevens boys couldn't have stolen every book in the pharmacy, would those books that "went feral", be granted Ped status if all they had was the date stamp and a mention that that issue was on the list, but no "chain of provenance".

By this I mean a GR stamped CGC Graded 2.5 Sgt Fury, for example, would it be given GR Ped?

I suspect the answer is no, but is it a matter of grade and provenance that garners the Ped? If so, what about the possibility that a "real" Greenie was loved to death on purchase from Hauser/Hack/Barnett, is submitted to CGC showing it came from Barnett (especially) would it get the gold?

What I am getting at is given Barnett kept no records of the books he got from Stevens, and he is a funny book dealer in SeaTac, other books date stamped from the pharmacy must have come through the store.

Sure says the CGC submitter, I got this book from Barnett, it has a date stamp and I want a GR Ped notation.

Your thoughts?

[DKB]

If so, what about the possibility that a "real" Greenie was loved to death on purchase from Hauser/Hack/Barnett, is submitted to CGC showing it came from Barnett (especially) would it get the gold?




It's funny you say "loved to death" considering some of the books in the collection were shot with a bb-gun. Let's see a Church book show that kinda character. =p

[Red Hook]

Interesting questions Duffster.

Most of your conclusions are quite correct.

One interesting thing to consider is.... what are the odds of a book coming from the original source/store through a standard over-the-counter sale, and showing up forty years later in highgrade shape?

In the real world, not much of a chance of that happening. I do personally think that books that come through Barnett are indeed valid members of the pedigree, if the proper "line-of-procurement" can be established. Having an identical date stamp to a recognized member of the pedigree is a very good indicator, a good starting point.

I think CGC takes each book on a case by case basis. Other factors are the page quality and the overall look of the book. (most of the GR's have very white pages and great cover colors). That beater book (TTA68) that I found was interesting, came from the same store but was not a member of the pedigree. I would say that any book considered part of the collection has to have come through the sweaty little hands of William Stevens III. That's the first level of qualification.

I think the number of mid-highgrade books, (lets talk 8.0 and up) coming from the store, and NOT coming through his hands is about zero. That's why pedigree collections are so cool.... you end up with a fairly sized group of books, all in very good condition. Silver age collections are more common, obviously than golden age.

I do think Haack & Hauser books have an easier path to being granted GR status than Barnett's books, but if you have done the research and seen as many book in the collection as I have, it's pretty easy to fit the Barnett books into sequence. Barnett books without a date stamp, might have more trouble, but I think you would have to ask Mark Haspel directly how CGC handles Barnett books. Some of those Barnett books come with a certificate he created once the collection got public notice, but that was after the fact.

If the Sgt. Fury you mentioned came to light, and it couldn't be traced back to the Haack & Hauser purchase, (or didn't come though Barnett) I think it would have a difficult time getting pedigree status.

If you did have a beater, that could be traced, you might be able to get pedigree status from CGC. I know there are 5.5's and lower that have gotten CGC'd with pedigree designation. In fact, the overall grades for the Green River collection is nothing super. They're good grades, but the appearance is what is so nice about them. Even the 5.5s look fresh. Usually they get downgraded for creases.

Hope that helps.





If a book from the original lists turns up, has a date stamp and can be traced to Hauser and Haack or Barnett, it will be granted a GR Ped.

If it has no date stamp, but the issue still appears on the list and its provenance can be traced to Hauser/Haack/Barnett it may be granted a GR Ped.

No date stamp, no mention in the list, lost provenance - SOL.

Last question to you, Brad, I seem to remember you posting a pair of GR's being reunited, one well loved and read, the other CGC'ed. Since the Stevens boys couldn't have stolen every book in the pharmacy, would those books that "went feral", be granted Ped status if all they had was the date stamp and a mention that that issue was on the list, but no "chain of provenance".

By this I mean a GR stamped CGC Graded 2.5 Sgt Fury, for example, would it be given GR Ped?

I suspect the answer is no, but is it a matter of grade and provenance that garners the Ped? If so, what about the possibility that a "real" Greenie was loved to death on purchase from Hauser/Hack/Barnett, is submitted to CGC showing it came from Barnett (especially) would it get the gold?

What I am getting at is given Barnett kept no records of the books he got from Stevens, and he is a funny book dealer in SeaTac, other books date stamped from the pharmacy must have come through the store.

Sure says the CGC submitter, I got this book from Barnett, it has a date stamp and I want a GR Ped notation.

Your thoughts?

[Red Hook]

BTW... here's a link to the article I wrote about the two copies of Tales to Astonish #68....

http://www.networkofdisclosure.com/editorial.php?editorial_id=3

[Duffman_Comics]

Thanks Brad, pretty much as I thought.

It strikes me that a GR Ped would give a diminished cachet/return on a book as the grade descends anyway - and as you say, the "neatness" of pedigrees is their grade/quality and the fact they came from a single owner and survived.

[Red Hook]

Right. And you're quite welcome!

Now go back to the CGC boards and read Namisgr's brilliant postings in the "Want Fries" thread. He's nailing it.

#woohoo#

[Duffman_Comics]

Isn't it a wonderful read? The "debate" has been rehashed so many times that it isn't the interesting point of the thread - the real interest is in the way the participants, in the heat of the moment, let their guard(s) down and display some real insights into not so much what they collect or their position on the "pressing/disclosure" debate, but rather why they collect in the first place.

For mine, there are two camps.

Money mob.

I'll pay top dollar for a book and do whatever it takes to maximise the return on my investment by whatever means are (legally) available.

Purists

Collect for the love of it, like high grade books as much as the next but if books have been fiddled with want to know what's been done to them.

The "tragedy" outlined in the thread was the loss of a Pedigree notation on two books with CGC labels post press (and .2 upgrade). The only reason to lose that notation was to disguise the fact that the book had been pressed.

Where do I sit? In the purist camp. Joe Collector made a post that pretty much sums it up:

"Never once, in my entire time collecting comics, did I ever worry about scarcity or nerd peer pressure. I collect what I like, I spend what I feel comfortable with, and I can appreciate any collection, low to high-grade."

Pretty good collecting philosophy.

Anyway, enough of derailing this Green River thread. I'll mosey on over to the pressin' thread here.

[Red Hook]

One of JC's better comments... #oldie#

[Red Hook]

Thank you Mike!

http://macartistry.com/corral/asm46big.jpg

[Mjacobs8]

My pleasure!:)

[Mjacobs8]

Great colors!http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x259/allwins858/RawAvengers2290OW-W-1.jpg

[Red Hook]

Did you buy this from Harley Yee? I was tempted, but I have a copy already.

Very, very nice!

Red

[Mjacobs8]

Yes, I got it from Harley. It has that one bad corner but the colors are incredible, my scaner can't do it justice.

[Red Hook]

The Green River Pedigree Visual Database is currently making one of it's rare appearances at http://www.macartistry.com/greenriverpedigree

I just added a new image, an 8.0 copy of Amazing Spiderman Annual #1 which didn't get the pedigree designation on the label but is without doubt a book from the collection.

And no, it ain't mine! :?

http://www.macartistry.com/greenriverpedigree/images/asmbigimages/asmann1cbig.jpg

btw.... the site will be celebrating it's fourth full year of operation next month. I've got quite a number of new updates to do, and I will be putting up the long promised "resource" section, hopefully before the end of 2008. Well, at least before the pedigree book sees print. :-)

[Red Hook]

Here's one of the new scans I just added to the site.... the first and only signature series Green River book I've ever seen.

This was apparently signed by John Romita Sr. at the Baltimore Comic Convention in 2007. It's a resub, with a new serial # but without a grade change. Originally graded an 8.0 sans signature back in July of 2002.

Nice book! Wish it were mine! :cool:



http://www.macartistry.com/greenriverpedigree/images/asmbigimages/asm50big.jpg

[Duffman_Comics]

Well, I like the Green River site, especially the DC Annuals/80 Page Giants. Gorgeous books that I'd love to have.

Thanks for the effort, Brad.

Brings me to the point of this post.

I HATE :mad: signature series books. I feel the addition of a great big fat Sharpie sig on a cover just ruins the look of the book. I know it's a personal preference, but it just aggravates me when I see an otherwise beautiful comic that then has a horrible scrawl all over it.

Well, OK, not all sigs are scrawls, but allow me a little hyperbole.

I've got a lot of signatures on books - Eisner, Adams, Romita Sr, Dave Stevens, Paul Chadwick #blahblah##blahblah##blahblah# but I always have the signature done inside - below the indicia, usually - nice and neat and doesn't hit the viewer "in the face".

Which brings me to another point. Lets say I have a high grade book, with a small cover defect that is, well, glaring. A small tape pull, lets say.

If I apply colour touch (note spelling) CGC rightly notes same and gives the book a PLOD, restored.

If I manage to get a signature in just the right spot, cover the defect and suddenly it's a Universal label sig series totally lacking the PLOD stigma.

Things like this make Hulk Head Hurt.

[Red Hook]

I agree DM.... I wasn't going to say anything, because I'd still like to have a book like that....but it's a classic cover that gets killed by the big fat signature. There must be another way to do it.

Red

[Duffman_Comics]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270319841946&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Now, $3805 for this book is impressive.

Any Corralers happen to know who snagged it? :rolleyes:

[Red Hook]

It weren't me I can tell you. I was SHOCKED! I really thought the seller was going to lose money on his purchase. I didn't even throw in an early bid.

I don't have a clue as to who purchased it. But congrats to them.... and if I see it show up in a slab as a 9.6 with no pedigree label, I'm gonna' be PIZZED!

;)

[djpinkpanther67]

Wasn't me...I wanted the book, but not that bad!

[toz1960]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270319841946&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=4&campid=5335809863&toolid=10001&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dl l%3FViewItem%26item%3D270319841946%26ssPageName%3D STRK%253AMEWAX%253AIT)

Now, $3805 for this book is impressive.

Any Corralers happen to know who snagged it? :rolleyes:

And the winner is......steve9999,he's done left fb.

[Red Hook]

Eeee-yikes. Still hard to believe.

[djpinkpanther67]

I am trying to get one example of each SA pedigree for my collection...Brad - if you ever feel charitable please sell me a nice GR copy of an FF...If something would ever happen to where I had to sell my collection (not likely) I would return it to you at NO COST :)

[Red Hook]

Thomas.... the best I can offer you is the assurance that if I do break up the collection and start selling.... I guarantee you will have the first and most reasonable price offer on an FF.

But that assumes you're a paid up member of NOD. ;)

[Red Hook]

Mitch Jordan discovered this FF in slab and broke it out. After conferring with him, we think it has a better than good chance of being a Green River....

http://www.macartistry.com/greenriverpedigree/images/ffbigimages/ff15big.jpg

[Red Hook]

Here's another new Green River that will be showing up in an upcoming Heritage auction. No date stamp on the cover of this one.

http://www.macartistry.com/greenriverpedigree/images/batmanbigimages/batman176big.jpg

[djpinkpanther67]

Thomas.... the best I can offer you is the assurance that if I do break up the collection and start selling.... I guarantee you will have the first and most reasonable price offer on an FF.

But that assumes you're a paid up member of NOD. ;)
:cool:#hello#

[Red Hook]

#allhailme#

[Red Hook]

I haven't posted in this thread in a while so here are some of the Green Rivers I picked up in 2009 (so far).

http://www.greenriverpedigree.info/images/avengersbigimages/av23big9.4.jpg

[Red Hook]

http://www.greenriverpedigree.info/images/avengersbigimages/av25big.jpg

[Red Hook]

http://www.greenriverpedigree.info/images/avengersbigimages/av28big.jpg

[Red Hook]

http://www.greenriverpedigree.info/images/daredevilbigimages/dd20big.jpg

[Red Hook]

http://www.greenriverpedigree.info/images/asmbigimages/asm29.9.0big.jpg

[sckao]

Did you pick up the Thor #127 CGC 9.4 for $1,116 on November 30, 2009?

That was the one I slabbed since it has the same serial number. Mine was in an Old case so I don't know if this was reholdered/resubbed since I haven't seen a photo.

I don't remember who I sold it to actually...

[Red Hook]

Hi Shin...

No I didn't. I don't think I even saw it up for sale. What venue did it sell on?

I had a note of it being in Rob Z's registry set last time I checked.

Brad

[Red Hook]

Okay, I found it on pedigreecomics' site ...

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=27977

[nepatkm]

Great informative thread. Thanks for all the green river knowledge Red Hook, as well as displaying all of these wonderful books. :)

[Red Hook]

My pleasure. The website has been overdue for an update.... after the holidays.

www.greenriverpedigree.info

[yarmak]

I do not collect these titles but I sure can appreciate them thanks for sharing :)
Dave

[The Charlton Guy]

I'd collect them if Brad would sell them to me...