What makes a shill a shill?

[The Charlton Guy]

Just curious.

Is a shill just a person who has been banned from a Forum returning under a different name?

Is a shill just someone who disagrees with the "Powers-That-Be" and "has an agenda" that rubs the wrong people the wrong way that results in them getting banned?

It seems to me that both of these scenarios are highly innocuous, regardless of the venue.

I would suggest that the true definition of a shill is someone who is rewarded by the "Powers-That-Be" for outing people of the first two varieties above. And rewarded for suppressing the truth. That is not so innocuous, is it?

Some people used to call people like this "rats" or "punks", not shills.

[jordanscott]

Shill and Stooge


shill http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png


[shil] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation Slang.

–noun 1.a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.

2.a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty. –verb (used without object)

3.to work as a shill: He shills for a large casino. –verb (used with object)


stooge

2.any underling, assistant, or accomplice.

[The Cooler King]

I would think that deception, motive, and agenda would have to be

"in play" in my defining a shill. I have a user name that is not my real

name. This alone does not make me a shill, I would think that I would

be judged by the content and manner of my conduct here, as I would

in a non internet life. TCK.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

A shill is a fake bidder. Plain and simple. Someone who bids with no desire to win, just to drive the price up.

CG what are you talking about? Just spit it out and stop being so cryptic. You know what a shill is, so what's your motive here. Ohw and by the way, if your gonna flip those spidey's you just bought let me know. I don't know how many I need, or if any, but PM me if you wanna make a deal.

[The Charlton Guy]

Shill and Stooge



shill http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png



[shil] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation Slang.

–noun 1.a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.

2.a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty. –verb (used without object)

3.to work as a shill: He shills for a large casino. –verb (used with object)


stooge

2.any underling, assistant, or accomplice.


EXACTLY!

[DrWatson]

What are shills made of?
Snips and snails and puppy-dog tails;
That's what shills are made of.

What are stooges made of?
Sugar and spice and everything nice;
That's what stooges are made of.

[jaydeebee]

CG, I believe the term you're searching for is "toady" or perhaps "stool pigeon". #nunchuck#

[stupidman]

CGC's definition :)

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1087658&page=1#Post1087658

[oxbladder]

Shills are people that pose as someone else, such as when one has multiple user profiles on a forum or when an eBay seller creates another profile and bids up their own products.

There are also people with agendas on forums and those agendas are basically all they are espousing. THose people are shills.

Shills are not people on opposing sides of an argument even if they may continue to have the same POV whenever the subject comes up.

[jaydeebee]

"In the case of banned members it's simply an attempt to come back and participate despite being banned."

Sad really.

[Capitalrecoveryman]

The only message board shill I have an issue with is this type. I lurk, but don’t post, on a site dedicated to SC Gamecock athletics. Our rival is Clemson. There is an obvious (well, obvious to many but not all) Clemson fan who gets his rocks off posing as a Gamecock fan, while posting crap about Clemson ranging from ludicrous conspiracy theories to vile innuendos. He gets banned, then returns with a new handle, but the same posting style. It’s disruptive and old. I’m not sure if there’s anything comparable here.

[jaydeebee]

I think that CGC is somewhat heavy-handed in labeling members as "shills". I think they are a bit paranoid.

It must be tough for guys like "Architecht", wondering if each new sign-up is some returning member who he's banned, rightly or wrongly. I feel for the guy. :rolleyes:

[stupidman]

"In the case of banned members it's simply an attempt to come back and participate despite being banned."

Sad really.

That's it! That'll be my next ID on the CGC Board: "sad_really" :) Or maybe an anagram of that. "sally_dare" "lear_sadly"...
Now, if I didn't have a shill ID on the CGC Board, would "the_shadow_knows" be getting the shit he currently is (and deserves)? See, in this case, the ends justifies the means, LOL!

[jaydeebee]

:) Lady Reals

[Capitalrecoveryman]

How about "y'all dears?"

[The Charlton Guy]

How about "Dear_Sally"

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/the-charlton-guy/Bush/salmilo.jpg

[jaydeebee]

How about "Dear_Sally"

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/the-charlton-guy/Bush/salmilo.jpg


#cloud9##love#

[The Charlton Guy]

Shills are people that pose as someone else, such as when one has multiple user profiles on a forum or when an eBay seller creates another profile and bids up their own products.

There are also people with agendas on forums and those agendas are basically all they are espousing. THose people are shills.

Shills are not people on opposing sides of an argument even if they may continue to have the same POV whenever the subject comes up.

I'm not talking about auction shilling, I'm talking about people being banned for "having and agenda" on an internet Forum.

Everyone has an "agenda".

To be banned for having "an agenda" is the same as banning someone for having an opinion different from your own.

So anybody who has "an agenda" is a shill?

I don't buy that. Like I said, opinions are innocuous.

I'll go back to my first asertion in my first post:

A shill is someone who is a stooge for the "Powers-That-Be" to shut up people with an "agenda" that goes against the grain of the "Powers-That-Be".

Those are the truly deceitful and dangerous shills.

[arexcrooke]

Ive always thought a shill was one/both of the following:
1-a person who has more than one account on a board. With one that is used to make posts that the "official" account doesnt want to be associated with
2-A banned user who comes back under a different account

[DrWatson]

I'm not talking about auction shilling, I'm talking about people being banned for "having and agenda" on an internet Forum.

Everyone has an "agenda".

To be banned for having "an agenda" is the same as banning someone for having an opinion different from your own.

So anybody who has "an agenda" is a shill?

I don't buy that. Like I said, opinions are innocuous.

I'll go back to my first asertion in my first post:

A shill is someone who is a stooge for the "Powers-That-Be" to shut up people with an "agenda" that goes against the grain of the "Powers-That-Be".

Those are the truly deceitful and dangerous shills.
An agenda refers to any view that is counter productive to spirit of the message board.

[alecholland]

Just curious.

Is a shill just a person who has been banned from a Forum returning under a different name?

Is a shill just someone who disagrees with the "Powers-That-Be" and "has an agenda" that rubs the wrong people the wrong way that results in them getting banned?

It seems to me that both of these scenarios are highly innocuous, regardless of the venue.

I would suggest that the true definition of a shill is someone who is rewarded by the "Powers-That-Be" for outing people of the first two varieties above. And rewarded for suppressing the truth. That is not so innocuous, is it?

Some people used to call people like this "rats" or "punks", not shills.

I think if you are talking about the CGC boards, you have to always keep in mind that they are a business. It's naive to think any other way. The chat board they host is simply a marketing tool both for them and other comic related businesses. To allow individuals to remain a part of their community who question either their business practices or those of one of their advertisers would be bad business. It's always easier from a business perspective to get rid of the individual rocking the boat (so to speak), than to change or even consider change. Nothing personal, it's just business.

[The Charlton Guy]

I understand that.

But that's not what I'm really talking about.

What I'm talking about are people who through whatever form of recompense (or worse, with no recompense at all) are engaged to hinder any questioning of the business practice that is being "protected". I'm talking about more than "yes-men" or "cheerleaders" here, I'm talking about intentional misinformation, disinformation and propaganda in order to keep a particular ugly truth from coming to light. I'm talking about whistleblowers who spring into action whenever said corporate entity is threatened.

Now that's a shill. Especially when it is occuring in a public Forum that is designed as a marketing tool. Escecially when said business practice profits from such misinformation at the expense of unwary buyers.

[DrWatson]

I understand that.

But that's not what I'm really talking about.

What I'm talking about are people who through whatever form of recompense (or worse, with no recompense at all) are engaged to hinder any questioning of the business practice that is being "protected". I'm talking about more than "yes-men" or "cheerleaders" here, I'm talking about intentional misinformation, disinformation and propaganda in order to keep a particular ugly truth from coming to light. I'm talking about whistle blowers who spring into action whenever said corporate entity is threatened.

Now that's a shill. Especially when it is occurring in a public Forum that is designed as a marketing tool. Especially when said business practice profits from such misinformation at the expense of unwary buyers.
Example, Captain Rhetoric?

[The Charlton Guy]

Look in the mirror Captain Whistleblower.

[mordo]

#popcorn#

[The Charlton Guy]

No flame war impending...save the popcorn.

I'm just suggesting that Doc take a look at how some of his posts look to others.

[DrWatson]

Look in the mirror Captain Whistleblower.
Please, I am no where near to being a representation of that soliloquy you posted earlier.

Besides, if I am the best example you have then your point is sorely lacking. Furthermore, don't allude to my recent thread either. We both know where the information came from that morphed that thread in to the Spanish Inquisition.

[alecholland]

I'm talking about intentional misinformation, disinformation and propaganda in order to keep a particular ugly truth from coming to light.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm not that smart. I have trouble reading between the lines most of the time. I'm not good at subtlety. What is the "ugly truth" you are talking about. Pressing? Trimmed books? The resub game it appears some larger dealers play? Something else? All of the above? None of the above?

And, when you talk about shills, are you talking about individuals whose agendas are to suppress this "ugly truth"? Are you talking about businesses like Clink and Heritage? Or, is it individuals shilling for those businesses or for CGC or even PGX for that matter?


Especially when it is occuring in a public Forum that is designed as a marketing tool. Especially when said business practice profits from such misinformation at the expense of unwary buyers.

That's exactly what marketing is, CG; lying in a public forum to take advantage of unwary buyers. Whether it be television, radio, print media, or an internet chat board, it makes for good business.

And as far as ugly truths go, do you think Kraft wants anybody to know what's really in Oscar Mayer hot dogs? How 'bout McDonalds having a little Soylent Green action going on in their Hamburger meat? You think corn growers associations want you to know that the rate of Diabetes in the world has risen at about the same rate as corn syrup production? Check the labels of all the food you eat, especially anything processed, corn syrup is in almost all of it now. Pharmaceutical companies used to use mercury as a preservative in children's immunization shots (they may still) until it got linked to autism - then they shipped all those mercury filled immunizations to foreign countries so their kids could get autism.

I guess the real question is: what do you do about companies whose business practices you feel are either in part or completely shady? My feeling is that the blame can go both ways. I'm of the opinion that people are mostly apathetic about these things until it affects them directly. My wife told me a story once about a guy at a mall who came running out of a jewelry store yelling at the top of his lungs "Mazzarese will rip you off!" over and over until he was escorted out by the mall police. It didn't stop anybody from going in to the store or coming out with a purchase.

I don't know what the answer is CG. I hate that a hobby that should celebrate one of the truly unique American art forms, something that represents in a small sense the innocence of my youth seems to be turning into another way for some people to make a quick buck through possibly unethical or at the least questionable means.

I will say it again. I just like comics and I like comic collectors. That's why I'm a member of this and the CGC forum.

In case you hadn't already noticed. I'm a loooooong winded SOB. Plus, I edit and re-edit my posts for hours. Where's the insane graemlin?

[The Charlton Guy]

Excellent post Alec.

I'll have to think about the answers to some of your questions before answering, because it's 2:45 and I am weary.

As for my incessent vagaries, they were posted to elicit a response just like yours. Thank you.

And to elicit discussion about something that means a great deal to me, and hopefully means a great deal to other collectors; the ethics of what has been and what is being done to our long-box-vaulted treasures.

[jaydeebee]

We both know where the information came from that morphed that thread in to the Spanish Inquisition.

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition. :cool:

[jaydeebee]

I don't know what the answer is CG. I hate that a hobby that should celebrate one of the truly unique American art forms, something that represents in a small sense the innocence of my youth seems to be turning into another way for some people to make a quick buck through possibly unethical or at the least questionable means.

I will say it again. I just like comics and I like comic collectors. That's why I'm a member of this and the CGC forum.

Alecholland,
I agree with a lot of what you've been saying here, in fact I can't find much in your post I don't agree with.

It's an unfortunate fact of life that everything good will eventually be perverted into a scheme for unscrupulous and sometime scrupulous people to make money. And the more money to be made, the more unscrupulous the people and the scheme.

I like comics too, although there are some comic collectors I could do without (just kidding :D ((or am I?)).

The fact that I love comics is one reason I don't belong to the CGC forum, that and having been banned for being the Charlton Guy...which I'm not, but little does that matter now. The fact is, I could have been a member for years if I'd wanted to be, but the place is boring. I don't have any interest in 9.4 versus 9.6, versus 9.8 because frankly no one can tell the difference, there really isn't any. It's a phony scale, created by some savvy businessmen in order to garner a premium price for a collectible encased in a little plastic box. It's a scheme devised by businessmen which is used to separate a collector from more of his (or her) money. It's an enormous drain which sucks all the fun out of collecting. (at least for me.)

What makes a NM comic worth 10 times more in a plastic case? "The difference is CGC!" No, the difference is greed. Or at least the idea that a self-anointed "expert" has declared the encased comic to be worthy, and therefore it can fetch a higher price than it's so-called "raw" counterpart.

Balderdash!

This could easily turn into a 12-page manifesto, and that would be bad. Besides, despite what I've written, I really have no particular grudge against CGC or any other grading company. I just think they are not the "experts" in anything other than making money off of a collectibles market.

My only personal gripe with CGC is the shabby treatment I received at the hands of one of their forum moderators. That to me demonstrated the paranoia that exists within that organization. I've been to a lot of message boards in my time, I've never been banned from any except for CGC, and that was for one post which for the most part supported the moderator's position! :-?

Anyhoo...(let it go, let it go...) As always, the opinions expressed above are the ravings of madman and should probably not be read by anyone.



In case you hadn't already noticed. I'm a loooooong winded SOB. Plus, I edit and re-edit my posts for hours. Where's the insane graemlin?

Yeah, don't you hate that?

( #creep# <---he's right here, you need to click on "more" under the list of smilies on the right side of your screeen.)

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

Wow, more CGC thread stuff here. Fun.

CG, I understand your definition of a shill now. But I think it's just bad terminology. What your talking about would be a representative or fan. Just my opinion.

Do you remember how this board was set up and why? Cuz eBay forums suck.

ALL corporate web sites with forum's will have control! The best forms of control are those where the controlled don't know that they are being manipulated. CGC doesn't have to troll other forums to find out what people think of their service because they set up their own forum.

[clayface]

I understand that.

But that's not what I'm really talking about.

What I'm talking about are people who through whatever form of recompense (or worse, with no recompense at all) are engaged to hinder any questioning of the business practice that is being "protected". I'm talking about more than "yes-men" or "cheerleaders" here, I'm talking about intentional misinformation, disinformation and propaganda in order to keep a particular ugly truth from coming to light. I'm talking about whistleblowers who spring into action whenever said corporate entity is threatened.

Now that's a shill. Especially when it is occuring in a public Forum that is designed as a marketing tool. Escecially when said business practice profits from such misinformation at the expense of unwary buyers.

Let's try this again. Are you talking about apologists? The people who for whatever reason, loyalty, money, dislike or envy, take the corporate side and try to squaush any dissent? I've always had trouble with apologist, especially the ones who aren't doing it with a profit motive in mind. The largest corporate comic book chat board seem to be well stocked with them, to the point where it's hard to have a decent debate about issues with their grading policy. If the owner of the boards want to come right out and say that they don't appreciate their product being discussed in a way that points out flaws and limitations and outright deceptive practices, that's one thing, but I could never figure out the mentality of a person who, say for instance, votes for a taxcut for the wealthy 1%, not quite realising that he'll never see a dime of it. How'd he get suckered into that? Does he really believe he's going to some day be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company? Wouldn't he be better off striving for middle class tax relief?
There can no longer be any decent or substantial discussions on grading policy anymore, as soon as it begins, the water gets muddied by apologist. The hobby has been greatly affected by some of the bigger players like grading companies and auction houses, so everyone who collects comics is affected by what they do.
My name, by the way, is Vince, not Dennis and I am not a shill.

[Red Hook]

We know. Welcome back, Vince! :cool:

Red

[MrBedrock]

Look in the mirror Captain Whistleblower.
You need to look in the mirror - Captain Shill.
By your own definition, if misinformation is the key to being a shill, then right now you fit the bill.

All of this pro/anti-CGC, pro/anti-PGX, pro/anti grading, Corral vs.CGC boards rhetoric, propaganda, discussion is really becoming wearying. I personally don't have a dog in any of those fights, though I know some will say that I do. I do think that if Dennis has been part of a scam involving PGX (and there is ample circumstantial evidence that he is) then that should be exposed.
But CG, if your manner of exposing it is to give unsubstantiated info to someone else (which really should never have been given out in the first place - even if true), allow them to run with it, and then call them a whistleblower...well I don't have much respect for you.

[DrWatson]

You need to look in the mirror - Captain Shill.
By your own definition, if misinformation is the key to being a shill, then right now you fit the bill.

All of this pro/anti-CGC, pro/anti-PGX, pro/anti grading, Corral vs.CGC boards rhetoric, propaganda, discussion is really becoming wearying. I personally don't have a dog in any of those fights, though I know some will say that I do. I do think that if Dennis has been part of a scam involving PGX (and there is ample circumstantial evidence that he is) then that should be exposed.
But CG, if your manner of exposing it is to give unsubstantiated info to someone else (which really should never have been given out in the first place - even if true), allow them to run with it, and then call them a whistle blower...well I don't have much respect for you.
Definitely a learning experience on my part. I knew better. I'm closer to arriving at the appropriate destination, but I took the wrong road to get there. :o

[jaydeebee]

#superman# Captain Shill to the rescue!

[DrWatson]

#superman# Captain Shill to the rescue!
Sycophant.

[Red Hook]

I'd still like someone to give me the Cliff Notes version of the whole debacle. Maybe Ox or Iron can help out sometime.

Heck, I still want to know what Jason Ewert is up to these days... #woohoo#

[arexcrooke]

I would too, as I stopped reading that thread and all.
Arex who is lazy

[jaydeebee]

Sycophant.

No, not at all.

I am merely attempting to lighten the mood here with a bit of humor, no need to get angry.

[DrWatson]

No, not at all.

I am merely attempting to lighten the mood here with a bit of humor, no need to get angry.
Angry?http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee7/dr-watson/graemlins/smiley_laughoutloud.gif

[jaydeebee]

Angry?



Did I misread the tone of your post? :confused:

Did you intend the term "sycophant" to be a compliment of some sort? I have never heard the term used in any way other than the derogatory.

Please be so kind as to explain exactly what you meant by it? I won't take offense, I'd just like to know.

[The Charlton Guy]

You need to look in the mirror - Captain Shill.
By your own definition, if misinformation is the key to being a shill, then right now you fit the bill.

All of this pro/anti-CGC, pro/anti-PGX, pro/anti grading, Corral vs.CGC boards rhetoric, propaganda, discussion is really becoming wearying. I personally don't have a dog in any of those fights, though I know some will say that I do. I do think that if Dennis has been part of a scam involving PGX (and there is ample circumstantial evidence that he is) then that should be exposed.
But CG, if your manner of exposing it is to give unsubstantiated info to someone else (which really should never have been given out in the first place - even if true), allow them to run with it, and then call them a whistleblower...well I don't have much respect for you.

I think you are misunderstanding me. Not difficult I know, as I am being unduly vague.

As for me doling out any "misinformation", I am unaware of having done so.

And I have no vendetta against CGC. And I do not, and never will, have a shilla account there.

But perhaps my next post will help make my "rhetoric" more celear, as someone else here has stated much more succinctly what I was trying to point out. Hang on...

[The Charlton Guy]

Let's try this again. Are you talking about apologists? The people who for whatever reason, loyalty, money, dislike or envy, take the corporate side and try to squaush any dissent? I've always had trouble with apologist, especially the ones who aren't doing it with a profit motive in mind. ...There can no longer be any decent or substantial discussions on grading policy anymore, as soon as it begins, the water gets muddied by apologist. The hobby has been greatly affected by some of the bigger players like grading companies and auction houses, so everyone who collects comics is affected by what they do.
My name, by the way, is Vince, not Dennis and I am not a shill.

That is exactly what I am talking about.

And welcome back Vince. It's good to have you on Board.

[MrBedrock]

I am being unduly vague.


Yep, that about sums it all up.

(Oh, and let's hope Vince doesn't get duped into becoming an apologist for the actions of whichever moderator of the Corral screwed up)

[The Charlton Guy]

Sometimes being unduly vague helps to make things more clear.

IMHO...

[jaydeebee]

I think you are misunderstanding me. Not difficult I know, as I am being unduly vague.


Self expression is not generally one of your weak points CG. #poke#

[clayface]

Yep, that about sums it all up.

(Oh, and let's hope Vince doesn't get duped into becoming an apologist for the actions of whichever moderator of the Corral screwed up)

No fears there. I apologise for no one other than myself. Sometimes when I don't even need to, I'm sorry to say. It has something to do with Catholic guilt, I've been told.

[jaydeebee]

Yep, that about sums it all up.

(Oh, and let's hope Vince doesn't get duped into becoming an apologist for the actions of whichever moderator of the Corral screwed up)

There really would be no need for that, since the mistake has been both admitted to and rectified.

[alecholland]

It's a phony scale, created by some savvy businessmen in order to garner a premium price for a collectible encased in a little plastic box. It's a scheme devised by businessmen which is used to separate a collector from more of his (or her) money.

Jessica (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000256/): We've been outside! There's another world outside! We've seen it!
Logan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001868/): Life clocks are a lie! Carousel is a lie! THERE IS NO RENEWAL!

[MrBedrock]

No fears there. I apologise for no one other than myself. Sometimes when I don't even need to, I'm sorry to say. It has something to do with Catholic guilt, I've been told.
That is why I always have enjoyed the discussions with you, Vince.
Even when you called me Jack The Ripper! ;)

[MrBedrock]

There really would be no need for that, since the mistake has been both admitted to and rectified.
I haven't seen where the mistake of divulging the erroneous info (Dennis being Clayface) to an interested third party for the purpose of starting a discussion has been either admitted to or rectified. The only admission that I have seen is that by doing the above, one can now be considered a shill.

[jaydeebee]

I haven't seen where the mistake of divulging the erroneous info (Dennis being Clayface) to an interested third party for the purpose of starting a discussion has been either admitted to or rectified. The only admission that I have seen is that by doing the above, one can now be considered a shill.

I'm really not sure what you're talking about. A mistake was made, it's been cleared up. Mistakes happen.

Here's my public apology to clayface, and I'm not even the guy who banned him.

http://www.comicscorral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=38987&postcount=35

[DrWatson]

I'm really not sure what you're talking about. A mistake was made, it's been cleared up. Mistakes happen.

Here's my public apology to clayface, and I'm not even the guy who banned him.

http://www.comicscorral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=38987&postcount=35


Apologist.

[MrBedrock]

Apologist.
Just to let everyone know...That is funny! #rofl#

[The Charlton Guy]

It is pretty funny.

But the time has come to move this thread out of Comics General and into the "Restoration and Disclosure" Area. I shouldn't have started it here in the first place. I will leave a notice that the thread has been moved.

My apologies...:D

[alecholland]

Since it seems everyone is doing it, I'd like to offer my apologies as well. #creep#

[flyingdonut]

Heck, I still want to know what Jason Ewert is up to these days... #woohoo#

Selling comics.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

So what have you guys read recently? I recently read that Punisher Wolverine mini where Punisher is part angel. Man that was a horrible comic.
Did you see the new BSG? What the hell is going on?
I won some cool undergrounds recently, seems they are still some comics you can get to read for cheap. I recently bought a CGC 9.0 Omaha cat dancer #1 (first) for about $60. I love the book but the grade is wayyyyy weird. The book is just not a 9.0. You decide.

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/6/0/3/0/6/webimg/132307226_o.jpg
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/6/0/3/0/6/webimg/132307222_o.jpg
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/6/0/3/0/6/webimg/132307231_o.jpg
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http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/6/0/3/0/6/webimg/132306967_o.jpg
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/6/0/3/0/6/webimg/132306974_o.jpg
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/6/0/3/0/6/webimg/132306980_o.jpg
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/6/0/3/0/6/webimg/132306988_o.jpg

[mordo]

Selling comics.

I thought I read somewhere he got banished from the hobby. Where did you see him?

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

? How can one be banned from the hobby?

[mordo]

? How can one be banned from the hobby?

Hi SS!

Steve Borock said: "I asked him to leave the hobby and, as far as I know, he did."

Full statement:

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/961457/site_id/1#import

[The Charlton Guy]

Amazing.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

OK, reading now.....

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

Well, I took as much time as I could with that post and I got blah blah blah, $, corporate lakky who gave up collecting to be a "professional grader" saying that he is close to the problem but never admitting how the $ gain from being "in the know" but not involved in the crime is paying his and his corp heads mortgages paid. Every thing I do now with comics is delineated by these A**holes opinions because they are grading experts. This somehow reminds me of tooie (sp) from "The Fountainhead".

Here's some better words than I can maek...
"Magic is like telling a lie so convincing even the universe believes you" SPAWN #19


"We will use criminals, lunatics and subversives to create violence and terror upon the masses.
After these groups have served their purpose, the agents of our enterprise will appear on the scene and exterminate them, thus making us look like the saviors of the opressed."
Amshcel Rothschild
origingal architect of the "Illiminati"
Frankfurt, Germany 1773
However, as far as this quote goes, I cannot remember where I found it and have never researched it's authenticity. It is referenced in a modern (very) comic.



"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
Napoleon.


"Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart...Who looks outside dreams. Who looks inside awakens."
Carl Jung-he got lucky on this one


"It's because there's something fundamentally wrong with humans."
Quinn, Ishmael


"Sailors in the old days didn't learn to swim because if you knew how to swim it took longer to drown."
The Minus Man-movie


"Life sucks. OK. so fix a small part of it. When so much is at stake, how can you be complacent?"
Hippie


"Attachment to early pain comes from a mythological perception of I am entitled to a perfect pain-free childhood. Anything that interferes with this perception I will use for the rest of my life. Telling my story will be my power. What the perception does is give an injured child inside you permission to control you for the rest of your life. Moreover it provides a strong sense of illusory power.
The moment anyone stands up to you or crosses you or even disagrees with you, the injury is brought forth with accusations of insensitivity concerning the others treatment of you. This power is empty however, because it continuously reinforces the idea that you are not worthy of being free from these events. The unworthiness then inhibits you from attracting to yourself the love, kindness and abundance that is the universe."
Some Hippie book B.S. that I hate, but is true.

[jaydeebee]

I told him that if I find out he has ever sold another book from that day on, I would do everything in my power, as president of CGC as well as a hobbyist, to make sure he regrets it for the rest of his life.


Now THAT is funny! (and people say you "loose" your sense of humor after 40!)#rofl#

[Duffman_Comics]

Hi SS!

Steve Borock said: "I asked him to leave the hobby and, as far as I know, he did."

Full statement:

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/961457/site_id/1#import

Just spent the best part of two hours reading that thread. I'd like to say thanks, Mordo, but now I've got such a headache.

41 pages and the original questions were never addressed, let alone answered satisfactorily.

But of course it is now all "water under the bridge" having happened so long ago.

Those who forget the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them.

[Red Hook]

Just spent the best part of two hours reading that thread. I'd like to say thanks, Mordo, but now I've got such a headache.

41 pages and the original questions were never addressed, let alone answered satisfactorily.

But of course it is now all "water under the bridge" having happened so long ago.

Those who forget the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them.


Just for the record, much later...August of last year, SB had this to say about JE:





I have not spoken with Jason since the fiasco.

I did tell Jason to leave the hobby, but the choice, in the end, was really his.

We (CGC) dealt with a bad situation, learned from it, and moved on. Period. We love this hobby, but CGC is also a business, whether you want to hear that or not. We lost a lot of time and $, not to mention the bad press we got, because of that situation.

You can moan all you want, but ANY of you could have worked at it and started some kind of lawsuit or investigation, but did not. Or the collectors that bought those books could have, but did not. I am not saying you or they should or should have, but I do believe that some of you would rather complain about things than getting them taken care of.


I am pretty sure he is gone, but do I know 100&#37;, no.As a matter of fact, I did make an initial contibution to a legal fund that would more fully have explored the legal ramifications of the scandal, but the fund went unused, as no person having purchased an allegedly trimmed book in the jurisdiction that the attorneys who volunteered to help out, was willing to step forward. It was not true that "any of us" could have started some kind of lawsuit or investigation. CGC certainly had every reason to launch an investigation themselves, considering the damage they claimed they withstood...but they let it go too.

This is all just a matter of record.

[DrWatson]

Now THAT is funny! (and people say you "loose" your sense of humor after 40!)#rofl#
I was using my Jersey accent.

[stupidman]

If anyone's really interested, here's the thread that started all that. Allegedly, Abrams is Comic-Keys.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=906540&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Other Misc Ewert/CGC links:

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=4&Number=922481&Searchpage=1&Main=50176&Words=+have+not+spoken+with+Jason+since+the+fiasco %5C.&topic=0&Search=true#Post922481

"Ewert: One Year Later":

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1327182&page=0&fpart=1

[Red Hook]

Yeah, I kinda think Abrams was the Evil One hisself at this point. I don't think the source matters as much as the message, at least in this case.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

Man, my last post was weird. Sorry, I was...Well I don't know what happened.

[kwm: The one and only VoR]

Great commentary here, including yours, Silly! (I've always thought of you as CG's slightly odder alter-ego!) :)

Something I wonder about are the guys who come on like gangbusters at first, promising this or that investigation or lawsuit, then subsequently find themsleves silenced by this or that perk or title, and become willing lap-dogs (or shills, if you will) for the company.

I've never been clear on whether such people always intended the self-serving outcomes that resulted, or if they were slowly corrupted.

Lie down with dogs...

[stupidman]

That's it! That'll be my next ID on the CGC Board: "sad_really" :) Or maybe an anagram of that. "sally_dare" "lear_sadly"...


Hey DocWatson, did you just figure it out? I told you my next CGC name would be a "sad really" anagram. And then I had that Slayer ticket stub as my Sig for a couple days? What, do I have to spell it out for you? LOL

[tiptophimp]

Its a fake ebay account that bids on an item to increase the percieved value of said item.

[Hepcat]

Just curious.

Is a shill just a person who has been banned from a Forum returning under a different name?

Is a shill just someone who disagrees with the "Powers-That-Be" and "has an agenda" that rubs the wrong people the wrong way that results in them getting banned?

A "shill" is neither of those things.


A shill or plant is a person who helps another person or organization to sell goods or services without disclosing that he or she has a close relationship with the seller.

It's first confusing and then annoying when some people on a certain unspecified board use the word in a non-standard way.

#professor#