Sometimes I'm right...

[The Charlton Guy]

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jduran1&ftab=AllFeedback&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:SFS&iid=260235922185&item=260235922185&frm=1883

[Capitalrecoveryman]

What did that jackass do? Burn his ID for a 3K scam? Personally, I'm too risk averse to blow that kind of loot with a Money Order. Either Paypal or we're doing our trade in a Wal-Mart parking lot.

[jaydeebee]

Agreed.

It's one thing to participate unwittingly in a scam, but to help the guy scam by agreeing to such terms as paying this amount with a MO, the buyer has to accept just a little of the blame IMHO.

[Capitalrecoveryman]

Jerry is right!

[Capitalrecoveryman]

Good God, Jerry. Can I have some of your corral chips? And what are corral chips by the way?

[jaydeebee]

Good God, Jerry. Can I have some of your corral chips? And what are corral chips by the way?

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(there is no Jerry!)

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

Nice call CG, I was following this one after you pointed it out, but I wouldn't have followed up on it. I wonder why the person who bought it has such low Feedback? I almost feel like contacting them and linking them to the thread you started so that they know about this forum. I feel bad for them. I wonder if they are a newbie or what? I would hate to think of someone jumping into comics for the first time or as a re visitation and getting burned like this.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shaman-Limited-PRS-SE-Guitar-autographed-by-Carlos_W0QQitemZ260246379891QQihZ016QQcategoryZ238 4QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[oxbladder]

Dunno what I'm missing here.

[Duffman_Comics]

Seller has a Fantastic Four 48 listed on 30 April. Knows it will go for big bucks, so pulls the Paypal option because "the fees are too high".

One month later, this seller lists an expensive guitar with a BIN that is not that far off the end price of the FF. Paypal is no problem now, despite the continuing pleas of a desperate need for cash etc.

Did I miss something at Ebay in that month where all sellers were now required to accept Paypal? If the Paypal/Ebay rules didn't change and the seller's professed financial need remains the same then why the arbitrary refusal/acceptance of Paypal?

I don't sell on Ebay so I am going to withhold judgement until someone more familiar with setup can advise - but on the face of it, this is suspicious.

Just had a thought. Maybe the guitar is being sold "on consignment/for "a friend" - that would explain the new found embracing of Paypal as an option - it doesn't come out of the seller's pocket.

My 12c

[oxbladder]

I would NEVER spend more than $250 on eBay. If I had thousands to spend on a comic I would likely have enough to go and view it in person. I think you are opening yourself up to being scammed if you do otherwise....but different strokes for different folks i guess.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

Word, but it's a great place to get reading material and you can find some honest sellers.

[chaz]

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jduran1&ftab=AllFeedback&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:SFS&iid=260235922185&item=260235922185&frm=1883 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=4&campid=5335809863&toolid=10001&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Ffeedback.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISA PI.dll%3FViewFeedback2%26userid%3Djduran1%26ftab%3 DAllFeedback%26sspagename%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3ASFS%26ii d%3D260235922185%26item%3D260235922185%26frm%3D188 3)
"And sometimes you are wrong)

I had friends on ebay tell me about your post Char guy.

A type of defamation Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media -- for example, over the radio or on TV/internet -- it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience.

I am a 9 year ebayer whose reputation is everything to me since I plan to sell for a long time . The guy I sold to I don't know from the man in the moon. Mailing was certified and insurance purchased He has a 24 feedback. His feedback lingo to me was weird. I did all the paperwork for him and of course the post office doesn't want the box sent back to me so it isn't breached. He could have kept the book and the insurance money I don't know who this guy is. The guitar I sold and used paypal was on consignment so the seller didn't care about the ebay fees. Anything that I sell on ebay going forward over $1000 bucks will be M.O only. Everything else will be paypal

But for you to assume I did something illegal given my record versus a 24 feedback ebayer is libel and or slander and you need to apologize on these boards.

[Capitalrecoveryman]

Here's the thing. That buyer with the 'measly' 24 feedbacks managed to buy several comics at several hundred bucks each and greater without incident (Hell, that guy's probably spent as much as I have on the 'bay and I've been around since 1998). You've sold several comics, accepting paypal, in the ten to twenty dollar range without incident, but alas, the one high dollar book you sell, not accepting paypal, ends in a highly unusual manner.

I don't know who's right or wrong. I wouldn't touch your auctions with a ten foot pole. That's not slander nor libel. It's just what it is. And I reach that conclusion based upon nothing stated anywhere in this thread.

[stupidman]

"And sometimes you are wrong)

I had friends on ebay tell me about your post Char guy.

A type of defamation Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media -- for example, over the radio or on TV/internet -- it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience.

I am a 9 year ebayer whose reputation is everything to me since I plan to sell for a long time . The guy I sold to I don't know from the man in the moon. Mailing was certified and insurance purchased He has a 24 feedback. His feedback lingo to me was weird. I did all the paperwork for him and of course the post office doesn't want the box sent back to me so it isn't breached. He could have kept the book and the insurance money I don't know who this guy is. The guitar I sold and used paypal was on consignment so the seller didn't care about the ebay fees. Anything that I sell on ebay going forward over $1000 bucks will be M.O only. Everything else will be paypal

But for you to assume I did something illegal given my record versus a 24 feedback ebayer is libel and or slander and you need to apologize on these boards.

Did you make this same post on the CGC Board? 'Cause there are a few guys over there that said the same thing...

[toz1960]

Paypal fees:


Monthly SalesPrice Per Transaction$0.00 USD - $3,000.00 USD2.9% + $0.30 USD$3,000.01 USD - $10,000.00 USD2.5% + $0.30 USD$10,000.01 USD - $100,000.00 USD2.2% + $0.30 USD> $100,000.00 USD1.9% + $0.30 USDhttps://www.paypalobjects.com/WEBSCR-525-20080701-1/en_US/i/scr/dagger1.gif


AS can be seen here the percentage goes down as the transaction amount goes up.If you take PP on $999.99 you are actually paying more fees than if it was $1000.What about lots of sales that add up to more than $1000?

I'm sorry but I don't see your logic here.If you had offered PP you would probably have seen that FF comic go higher.

I am another who would not have bid on a book that high that did not offer Paypal.

With no proof from either side this is just another pi**ing match and will only be entertainment for the rest of us for a while.

[Duffman_Comics]

Did you make this same post on the CGC Board? 'Cause there are a few guys over there that said the same thing...

Stu, can you point me to the relevant thread over there? I have a few points to make, but I'd like to get my "ducks in a row" first.

Don't worry Stu, found it. BRB

[chaz]

Paypal fees:


Monthly SalesPrice Per Transaction$0.00 USD - $3,000.00 USD2.9% + $0.30 USD$3,000.01 USD - $10,000.00 USD2.5% + $0.30 USD$10,000.01 USD - $100,000.00 USD2.2% + $0.30 USD> $100,000.00 USD1.9% + $0.30 USDhttps://www.paypalobjects.com/WEBSCR-525-20080701-1/en_US/i/scr/dagger1.gif




AS can be seen here the percentage goes down as the transaction amount goes up.If you take PP on $999.99 you are actually paying more fees than if it was $1000.What about lots of sales that add up to more than $1000?

I'm sorry but I don't see your logic here.If you had offered PP you would probably have seen that FF comic go higher.

I am another who would not have bid on a book that high that did not offer Paypal.

With no proof from either side this is just another pi**ing match and will only be entertainment for the rest of us for a while.

The market value for that books is $3500 because of my feedback several dealers called me and they were not worried. It sold for market. This is no pissing match I have been on ebay for almost a decade. I would do nothing to mess up my reputation. The post office did tell me to quit writing the name and grade of the book on the top of the shipping label. It will only cause problems.

Thanks joe.

[toz1960]

So why take Paypal at all? If you other sales combine total over $1000 you all still going to have to pay the fees? If one sale does go over that,then the percentage drops.

I can see your point though,I hate paying PP fees but I do and I understand why but again,I won't bid that much if I can't use Paypal.

I am not questioning your intergrity or the buyers intergrity,I followed this topic over on the ebay boards so I do know what is going on and what was said.I do think the buyer needs to at least state the condition of the packaging and if it looked screwy he should have opened it at the PO.That should tell us something right there.

If the buyers"finds out" about this thread,he'll show up with his story and then we can all sit back and enjoy the ride.It's happened before.That is what I ment about the "match" and from where I sit that is what it looks like.

As a side bar,let's all watch for an unslabbed FF 48 in 9.6 to show up somewhere for sale soon.

Anyway Joe,I wish you nothing but the best and hope you decide to stick around here after all this blows over.It's a pretty cool place with lots of good folks.

[Duffman_Comics]

First of all, Chaz, thanks for responding here and trying to shed some light on a "deal gone wrong".

I'll be honest, when the first response to an accusation of "skulduggery" is attorneys at twenty paces, my BS Spidey sense starts tingling.

Please try to understand that as "third parties" to the transaction, the only "evidence" we have is that provided by yourself and the buyer (in this case, the only statement from the buyer is through negative feedback left for you).

So, we are required to assess whether this feedback is justified based on the following facts as they are presented:

a. The vendor (you) states he has lost his job. Bummer, I hope something comes along quickly for you, but there is a tick in the "motive" column.

b. No PayPal for this auction. For the external observer, another "red flag". A book this expensive and no PP protection? I am surprised anyone was prepared to bid the price that high. Oh wait, the buyer is a noob with a very low (if flawless) feedback rating. The third party observer again feels uneasy.

c. You state "His feedback lingo to me was weird. I did all the paperwork for him and of course the post office doesn't want the box sent back to me so it isn't breached."
I'll be honest, I don't understand this. Does this mean you filled out the insurance claim form for him and then sent it to him? And what does "the post office doesn't want the box sent back to me so it isn't breached" mean?

Again, I want to believe you, but the explanations aren't clear and rather than answer the questions raised tend to confuse, well, me, anyway.

OK, having got that out of the way, I am leaning towards you being the slighted party in this transaction. The buyer's Neg was "mild" given the circumstances. I know if I'd just lost that amount of money I'd be screaming my tits off. However you did say he had some sort of an accent so maybe English isn't his first language and he doesn't have the wherewithal to truly go ballistic in the written form.

The fact that this transaction happened almost as soon as the new eBay rules regarding feedback came into play also weigh in your favour.

The problem for you now is that that Neg sticks out like a sore thumb for any future auctions you post - especially for comics. Should you again list an expensive book with no PayPal I think you will be disappointed at the interest.

Anyway, my 12c.

All the best and good luck.

[Quato]

I would NEVER spend more than $250 on eBay. If I had thousands to spend on a comic I would likely have enough to go and view it in person. I think you are opening yourself up to being scammed if you do otherwise....but different strokes for different folks i guess.

I agree with you. I never spend more than I can afford to lose anyway. Think of it as buying a losing lottery ticket if I don't get what they sold. I always pay Money Order. Don't even have a paypal account. Don't want one.

Q

[Quato]

I've been telling people they need to be careful with what they say about others online. Not sure what else was said, but posting a link and saying "Sometimes I'm right...." is not a personal attack and cannot be construed as libel, slander or anything more than fortune telling. If there is another thread saying that this purchase was a bad idea, then CG was right regardless of the reason why.

If there is a thread falsely accusing Ebay user "jduran1", that is another matter. In the end though, a true statement is not libel or slander. If you are going to say something about somebody, it's best to make sure it's true without a shadow of a doubt.

Q

[Quato]

All the "reasons" cited above seem valid for a seller making the choices they make. I don't understand why in the hell anyone would write the contents of a package outside of the box though. That's enough to make me never buy from someone. If it's needed to ID packages before they are shipped, invest in post it notes. There's a reason that invention can be found in offices everywhere.

Q

[The Charlton Guy]

But for you to assume I did something illegal given my record versus a 24 feedback ebayer is libel and or slander and you need to apologize on these boards.

No I don't.