Ewert: 1 Year Later

[SatansProdigy]

Interesting thread on the CGC board.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=comicgen&Number=1359276&page=0&fpart=all

[camper49]

Sorry but I just can't follow those CGC threads without pulling my hair out.

[StlComics]

Me either. That board drives me nuts!

[oxbladder]

Especially when they keep nesting quote or get into smilie sessions. I have been reading a few more threads there though. The Manufactured Gold thread has been interesting.

It really surprises me that so many people still spend money with CGC. I guess that makes a pretty serious comment about just how interested our community is in cleaning up our act.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

Yeah, those CGC threads are way to encrypted and focused on market talk. I am trying to keep up, but.....

[oxbladder]

I read select threads. Lots of people have serious hate on for CGC critics like myself while being very light on some of the scandalous actions by CGC.

That being said there is lots that one can learn about eBay, scammers, scams etc. Keep in mind though many folks on forums often jump all over eBayers based on their associations, honest mistakes, etc. On the CGC forums they often say all sort of evil things about folks selling or using PGX for grading. Sometimes there is so much fear mongering that I am amazed that people still do business online ... mind you it works out great for CGC and their forum members. Sometimes you have to use your own discretion.

I am very careful on eBay. I ask alot of questions regardless of whether or not it slabbed, read the contents of auctions, etc. I have really only had about four or so unsatisfying transactions and one really bad one. I think I have only given maybe two negative and three or four neutrals.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

Man, why is this board so slow to move around in today?

I just read some of that CGC board about Jason Exert, if goes on forever. I've heard bits and pieces about this before, but could someone enlighten me with a link to the history or just tell me what the hell happened?

[aarondawe]

Wow. No wonder I don't go the CGC boards -- it takes me almost an hour to read on page of a thread, and this one has 19 pages! I'm guessing it melts down into a smilie free for all some point.

Sheesh.

Jason Ewert was trimming books and getting them slabbed by CGC who failed to notice that they were trimmed. A simplification of what happened, but covers the salient points.

Aaron

[oxbladder]

only 19 pages? Thats nothing. Manufactured Gold is over 80 pages if I remember correctly. Some of those threads get stupid with smilies and crap but some are very interesting. It is much more interesting there since the Ewert scandal and others. Many previously militant supporters are now ardent supporters of change.

I tell you too without CGC and its forums there never would have been a NOD created. NOD (Network of Disclosure) is a good thing and with a little more they could be a very strong force in cleaning up many aspects of online collecting and maybe even those damn grading companies.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

NOD (Network of Disclosure)
I Found out about this not too long ago, but I am still not sure how viable it is.

"Wow. No wonder I don't go the CGC boards -- it takes me almost an hour to read on(e) page of a thread, "

Dude, I so am with you on this one.

"Jason Ewert was trimming books and getting them slabbed by CGC who failed to notice that they were trimmed."

and from what I understand, help me out here, CGC is now....allowing this?

What do they allow as far as restoration goes? God damn, I hate this shit! It 's so not why I collect. In my opinion 6.0 books are becoming more and more desirable. I just want books I can read and hold. I recently bought a "Shattter #1 9.8" and am happy to own a first computer made comic in 9.8, but the SA and BA market is so ugly that buying high grades is almost not worth it.

[oxbladder]

They do not "allow" trimming. It is not considered restoration. It will either be considered a defect and noted on a blue label or, if other restoration is done, a defect and listed on the label. Either way they DO NOT consider it restoration because it is not. It is a defect plain and simple.

(They have also used it in Qualified Labels if it is the only defect on an otherwise nice book)

As for what they do consider restoration it has varied over this year. There were times when disassembling a book would automatically constitute a PLOD but not so much now. There have been other things that people have got away with doing to books that have been labeled as not restoration, including disassembly.

Many CGC users and members of their forum have taken them to task over this and their sliding grading scale. So don't think that their forum gives them a free ride.

As for NOD. They need more members and people willing to join even if the "viability" is questioned now. So many people cry out for something like NOD but they are willing to actually take the step. If people have ideas and the desire to "clean up" how business is done then it is worth joining and making your voice heard.

I joined just recently and I have been in discussions with Mark Zaid and Mitch Jordan about how to give NOD more clout. I will also be engaging Marnin Rosenberg in various ideas and topics very soon.

[stupidman]

Man, why is this board so slow to move around in today?

I just read some of that CGC board about Jason Exert, if goes on forever. I've heard bits and pieces about this before, but could someone enlighten me with a link to the history or just tell me what the hell happened?

Article from GPA on the STL Boards written by a member of the CGC Board:


http://forum.stlcomics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23308&sid=23d8b95e26abeba807852bbe1eaa881a