Civil War [Marvel] [Archive] - The Comics Corral

jaydeebee

05-08-2006, 06:26 PM

Seems like I'm always the one who has to stake out the opposite view. Civil War looks dull. The story seems contrived, the art is good, but obscured by the dark coloring.

Of the characters from the opening scenes, which I gather are supposed to be the modern equivalent of the NEW WARRIORS team, I only recognized Speedball and Namorette or whatever her name is. I didn't understand at all why they were being filmed, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the most recent NEW WARRIORS series, which I didn't buy.

The whole thing seems spur of the moment ala House of M.

Personally, I think the Annihilation Storyline is far more entertaining.

I'll buy the main Civil War series, but pass on all the crossovers, unless they happen to be in books that I already buy. Maybe it will get better, but to be honest, I was so uninterested after reading the first issue that I don't really care whether the rest of the series is ever published. :|

slucas76

05-08-2006, 07:28 PM

Haven't actually read this ish yet. Checked it out at the LCS and it looked good. I liked the lead in though and I can't wait to see where the series is going.

Then again, I enjoyed the whacked out FNSM this month, so my opine is a bit skewed sometimes. :lol:

Gallinator

05-09-2006, 09:47 AM

Well, I had resisted for so long, but I broke my rule about Marvel minis and bought issue number 1 of Civil War. The art was decent and it was VERY cool to see Cap stand up for what is right, but as I've stated before, Tony Stark seems waaaaaaay out of character and the whole thing does feel contrived like JDB said. I can see Reed being OK with it, I guess, given his reasoning in the Illuminati special (I read it at the store), but even that rings false.

This shouldn't rip the heroes apart, but instead consolidate them even tighter, unified against this heinous infringement of civil liberties.

I'll buy the rest of the series on eBay.

(SPOILERS)

So, Speedball is dead? Night Thrasher, too? Namorita? Hmmm, I won't miss the first two, but she was too good of a character to throw away. Maybe Nitro's blast didn't fry her but somehow concussed her and threw her miles away, stunned and amnesiac until some writer wants to use her. Yeah, right.

slucas76

05-24-2006, 10:47 PM

Finally got around to reading this. Sometimes mail order stinks.

Anyhow, it was a pretty fun read. Marvel is doing some things with the story that I like and there really wasn't anything that I didn't like. Can't wait for the second part of the story, which I'll probably get sometime in August. :lol:

Hoss

06-01-2006, 04:08 AM

OK, so I fell for the ol "buy it all" routine (as usual) and picked up She-Hulk v2 #8 and Wolverine #42 and both issues gave a lot of back story and early fallout from the Stamford incident (especially wolverine, which mostly recapped the first issue of CW).

I don't reckon you have to have these for the "whole story", but definately are worth a read if you are a completist. I am especially looking forward to the coming issues of Wolverine to see how his new mission goes.

theredsun

06-22-2006, 07:27 AM

so Spidey OUTED himself huh. so how do you like them apples?LOL

chaosus

06-23-2006, 03:18 PM

I'm in hook line and sinker. Yep, all the crossovers, variant covers and everything...

Oh, and I am enjoying the heck out of the story so far too.

Good stuff.

Gary

slucas76

06-23-2006, 05:11 PM

I'm in, though not as deep as Gary.

I'm getting all the X-overs, but I simply can't afford variants, et al.

I do love this story, though.

The only book that hasn't captured my attention like the others is T-Bolts, but I have no idea what to make of that book.

habib

06-24-2006, 04:24 PM

I like the story so far.

Not sure if I like Spidey unmasking. It should be interesting to see how they handle the situation.

chaosus

06-24-2006, 04:38 PM

Thunderbolts is a quirky book. It doesn't have the same feel as the rest of the Civil War books.

It's more of a straight superhero comic book (which I like) where the other stuff has a much more SERIOUS feeling to it.

Fabian Nicezia (sp) has been writing this way since the 90's and over the years I started to like his stuff.

KURT BUSIEK that was TOP NOTCH STUFF on the T-Bolts and you can pick those books up for cheap. They are well worth the money.

Gary

rowand

06-25-2006, 04:45 AM

So, Namorita is dead? She was too good of a character to throw away. Maybe Nitro's blast didn't fry her but somehow concussed her and threw her miles away, stunned and amnesiac until some writer wants to use her. Yeah, right.

No! A future Captain America will throw a Royal Sulk and flying through the Inuit people's land will disrupt their worship of a shadowy figure encased in ice, throwing it into the Gulf Stream where the ice sheath melts and the shadowy figure is found by some contemporary Avengers using a sub when Quinjets are a dime a dozen back at the HQ.

Yeah, Right!

slucas76

06-25-2006, 04:48 AM

That's inneresting Gary.

Maybe I'll have to pick up some backs on the cheap.

I really like Nextwave, which has a quirky sense about it, so maybe I could get into T-Bolts as well.

I just know nothing about the characters or their history, et al, so it's making it tough for me to get into the story.

marvelguy

06-25-2006, 09:12 AM

You better get T-Bolts CW tie-in now. This book, I think is UNDERORDERED amid the chaos. Later, everyone would want to get this one, I've already got my book on hold at my LCS. On the cover, it has Captain America and Zemo shaking hands. Zemo?!? Shaking hands?!? Wow, the Marvel Universe has changed it's status quo alot.

jaydeebee

06-25-2006, 03:21 PM

so Spidey OUTED himself huh. so how do you like them apples?LOL

I think those apples are rotten, ROTTEN I tell ya! I don't like it one little bit. Thank God I no longer have a pull-list at the LCS. When I drop a title I drop it immediately, no more waiting a couple of months for my "pre-ordered" issues to run out.

Marvel, you make me want to vomit.

rowand

06-25-2006, 07:13 PM

JDB That may make you the most viable candidate I have heard from lately who might actually go and WRITE for old Marvel!

Course that would put their whole room full of monkeys at keyboards they have writing comics now out of work but that would free them up to join Fling (the wonder CGC grader) as the Flingettes over at Slab'em Central!

jaydeebee

06-26-2006, 03:28 AM

It's hard to accept that a company that once was so good, they made me care about a character named ROM based on a stupid toy, now produces such rot-gut as House of M and Civil War. :cry:

Hoss

07-01-2006, 06:19 AM

:oops:

I'm completely hooked on this crossover! I've even picked up most of all the tie in issues too! baa baa!

I am really enjoying the Amazing Spider-Man, New Avengers and Wolverine story lines. The Thunderbolts issue was pretty nifty too. All I know is that our comic guy starts prancing around and rubbing his hands together when we walk into the store! #banana1# #banana2# #banana2# #banana1#

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jaydeebee

07-05-2006, 02:05 PM

In few months, when the cold weather returns, he can rub his hands together over a big old pyre of Civil War and House of M back issues. That'll be nice. :smile:

marvelguy

07-06-2006, 12:09 AM

chaosus

07-06-2006, 02:04 AM

Jaydeebee,

I know you're a long time reader like myself (1970 ish for me)so I have to ask if you enjoy "ANY of the new stuff being published by DC/Marvel.

I've had my ups and downs, but my enjoyment level of most of the main line Marvel Books has been very high since the Hero's Return Reboots.
There have been some real stinkers yeah, but we had those in the old days too.

Same with DC. I've never been a big DC fan. But they've done some I really enjoy now. The JSA run is great (I'm talking from the first issue), so is just about anything Geoff Johns writes is pretty good.

I do have to qualify that with the fact that I am no longer concerned if the books that I read are suitable for a 10 year old to read. Once I got over "that" (and trust me it took me a long time cause it's a crime) I really started enjoying the stuff again.

The fuel behind this is having new stuff to read. I've already read and have readable copies of all of the Gold /Silver/Bronze books I "re-read", but even my favorite books like the Avengers and Captain America start to get TIRED after all of these years.

I still love reading this stuff, and I can honestly say there is more good stuff being published today than there has been in the last 10 years. Yeah, there is also a ton of trash but there was always a ton of trash being published wasn't there.

So what are you READING?

Gary

slucas76

07-06-2006, 03:17 AM

When it comes to comic books, I admit that I'm not as discerning a reader as I am when it comes to novels and the sort. That being said, most of what I've read out of Marvel and DC right now (and even the one Image book that I still read) has been really good. Some of the books have left me hollow, but not as much as perhaps some other readers.

I'm not an oldbie when it comes to comic books. I've read some of the older stuff (70s Spidey an FF) and I've liked it, but I came into comics in the mid-90s and left about five years after that. I don't know what came or went in the interim, but from what I am reading right now, I am loving it.

The Civil War is a great miniseries, written and illustrated very well. It fits together very well, too. The Batman series that just wrapped involving Two Face was friggin' awesome. My wife read it to see just what was in these comic books that was so great. She loved the story, too.

To me, it's a good time to be a comic reader/collector (aside from the $2.99 covers, yikes!) and I enjoy the books. To each his own, but I'm loving the Civil War, tie ins and all and I just added 'em all to my pull list. I hope they can keep the momentum through the end of the series.

Hoss

07-06-2006, 06:26 AM

In few months, when the cold weather returns, he can rub his hands together over a big old pyre of Civil War and House of M back issues. That'll be nice. :smile:

lol, I hope not. This is the first comic store in town that looks like it's actually going to make it! He actually moved to a bigger storefront two doors down from his old location. He's not going bonkers with over orders and stuff...he orders enough for his box customers and then there are only a few extra issues for walk in people. He has completly sold out of all the civil war stuff, but I think that some of the house of m titles are still there. So far he has managed to sell thru most of his books, but for some reason, he does sell more of the Marvel stuff over DC. He only gets a few Image and indy stuff, but no one really reads that!

I 'm finding myself becoming a major DC fan though. I started with Infinite Crisis ( I still don't know what the heck happened and who most of those people were), but I'm now reading both of the Batman Books and both of the superman books. These are all really good. Titles like 52, Wonderwoman, Flash, Jonah Hex and Teen Titans are now added to my pull list as well! I think I'm being converted. Oh yeah the vertigo stuff is cool too...American Virgin, Y, Testament etc. Yikes! I buy more DC than marvel now!

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jaydeebee

07-08-2006, 11:07 PM

Although you may disagree with some books that Marvel is putting out. What about DC? They have their share of bombs also. I've never heard you dissing DC in any way, shape or form. Is there any books that you don't like that DC has on par with Marvel's House of M or Civil War?

I tend to like DC comics better than Marvel. Most of what I dislike from Marvel are their multiple origins for characters like Wolverine and their general lack of direction for most of the books they publish. Marvel's way seems to be; Slap an X or the word NEW on the cover, make Wolverine a regular in the book and it'll fly. I don't like Joey The Q because I think that he is allowing Marvel to play to the fanboys and speculators rather than trying to reach a broader base of readers.

I do so diss DC sometimes, especiallly any DC title written by Grant Morrison or drawn by Frank Quitely. While DC certainly has been doing a better job of making good comics of late, but they have their share of bombs as well. The All-Star line, particularly the Batman title, is abominable. They also still publish way too many Batman titles many of which are redundant. I'm not a big fan of NEW versions of old characters either, so DC's new PC direction isn't thrilling me either. The new Latino Blue Beetle, Lesbian Bat-Woman, Asian Atom may sell in the short run, but it all seems a bit like pandering to me. If they wanted Latino, Lesbian and Asian characters, why not create new ones rather than re-create existing or old characters? I look for most of the new PC/DC characters to go the way of Asian Batgirl.

Anyway, everyone ought to have something they can bitch about; make mine Marvel :twisted:

jaydeebee

07-09-2006, 12:02 AM

Jaydeebee,

I know you're a long time reader like myself (1970 ish for me)so I have to ask if you enjoy "ANY of the new stuff being published by DC/Marvel.
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I still love reading this stuff, and I can honestly say there is more good stuff being published today than there has been in the last 10 years. Yeah, there is also a ton of trash but there was always a ton of trash being published wasn't there.

So what are you READING?

Gary

Gary,
I still enjoy most of the DC comics but some less than others. I admit that I still buy some titles out of habit more than actual enjoyment. I no longer try or feel the need to buy every title published, not that I could afford to.

I still enjoy Superman, though there are things I'd like to see changed, most of all the boredom which is Mr. & Mr. Clark Kent. Batman leaves me feeling ho-hum most of the time, too dark. I like the new Wonder Woman I think, not sure on the new Flash yet. Love GL, hate GL Corps. Looking forward to the new JLA and JSA titles. Birds of Prey usually pretty good.

From Dark Horse I still dig Star Wars.

Marvel, I think a lot of their titles are in the "habit" category for me, certainly the X-books are. X-Men hasn't been good in a very long time, don't care about most of them, I hate Emma Frost as an X-Man. Even Whedon's X-Men is a shadow of their former greatness. The fall-out from HOM has been pretty bland, couldn't tell you who is and isn't still a mutant and don't care that much. What are Polaris's powers now after the 46th attack of Apocalypse or is it 47th? Spider-Man has been steadily going down hill since he became a "new" Avenger. Captain America is good, but will that continue with Brubaker leaving? X-Factor isn't as good as I'd hoped, I think Peter David is burned out. The Ultimate line does nothing for me. I like Squadron Supreme, even if it is a ret-con or alternate version or whatever it is.

jaydeebee

07-09-2006, 12:13 AM

I 'm finding myself becoming a major DC fan though. I started with Infinite Crisis ( I still don't know what the heck happened and who most of those people were), but I'm now reading both of the Batman Books and both of the superman books. These are all really good. Titles like 52, Wonderwoman, Flash, Jonah Hex and Teen Titans are now added to my pull list as well! I think I'm being converted. Oh yeah the vertigo stuff is cool too...American Virgin, Y, Testament etc. Yikes! I buy more DC than marvel now!

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One of us, one of us, one of us! Join us....JOIN US! :twisted:

chaosus

07-09-2006, 07:57 AM

Jaydeebee,

I kid you not. Drop the X-Books ALL of them! It will make you feel better. I dropped them like two years ago and I'm glad I did. They're the only Marvels I don't buy on a regular basis anymore. I only pick up the crossovers of the new stuff like Civil War and House of M to stay current.

I passed on X-Factor as a monthly too. I'm a big Peter David fan but I'm tired of wasting money on the X-stuff because it always ends up going nowhere.

I dropped Amazing SM for a while, but I had to pick it back up when he joined the Avengers (OCD Avengers completest here). It's not the BEST book out there, but it's not really BAD.

I like pretty much the rest of what Marvel is doing. I'm enjoying the Annihilation books too. Some good stuff considering they're almost all 2nd and 3rd tiers characters.

I'm trying not to think about what they're going to do with Captain America after Brubaker leaves. Those are going to be some big shoes to fill, but I have my fingers crossed.

As far as DC is concerned. I'm flipping out over the new Mystery in Space book with Capt Comet! Jonah Hex is fantastic. Justice floors me every issue. The Seven Soldiers story and books are really good too, they just need to finish it now, it's MONTHS late.

I've been reading the JSA since ALL STAR "58" The JSA run has been consistently good since the first issue.

I was never as hooked on DC's mainstream books as I was Marvels so I don't have that continuity thing to worry about. I only pick up and read what people rave about so I tend to not get burned too many times on bad stuff from DC.

Gary

jaydeebee

07-09-2006, 01:41 PM

Actually, after CIVIL WAR & ANNIHILATION wraps up, I'm pretty much going to be done with Marvel altogether. I enjoy Annihilation somewhat too, mainly because it does not feature any mutants or the New Avengers...not yet at least.

Civil War I think I've already got figured out. Since Thor is returning, I figure that the whole CIVIL WAR thing is actually Loki's doing and that after he's revealed as the villain, I'm hoping the whole scheme will turn out to be a giant WHAT IF? story.

Marvel's comics have become depressing. They use overly dark colors on mostly poor artwork, slow storylines which go nowhere and Joe Quesada boasting about what a great job they are doing.

By the way, I broke one of my own rules and bought a first issue of another Marvel mini-series, BEYOND! because if featured Gravity, a character from last year's mini-series that I quite liked. It turns out that the Beyonder is back and holding another Secret Wars with some second-stringers and Spider-Man(of course). How does the fit into Civil War continuity? Maybe this is another new continuity? Oh wait, it's Marvel; will I ever learn?

:P

marvelguy

07-09-2006, 05:58 PM

So, how was Beyond? I wanted to check it out but I didn't pick up my pull last time.

chaosus

07-09-2006, 10:48 PM

I had to add Beyond to my pull list. Issue 3 has Deathlok in it. Yep, weird 70's guy and I'm in.

gary

slucas76

07-09-2006, 11:09 PM

jdb,

I was wondering a bit about Beyond and continuity, too.

Then I forgot about it.

There's just so much more important stuff to worry about. #cheers#

Eh, whatcha gonna do?

jaydeebee

07-10-2006, 12:32 PM

jdb,

I was wondering a bit about Beyond and continuity, too.

Then I forgot about it.

I think you just explained Marvel's editorial policy in a nutshell! :lol:

slucas76

07-10-2006, 06:02 PM

jdb,

I was wondering a bit about Beyond and continuity, too.

Then I forgot about it.

I think you just explained Marvel's editorial policy in a nutshell! :lol:

:lol: Woo hoo! I could be a Marvel editor.

Lemme get my resume together. #banana1#

marvelguy

07-10-2006, 11:44 PM

Alas, Ultimate Wolvie vs. Hulk #3 is frigging late. Last I checked, it is supposed to ship in Aug. :x It's just a mini series, for Pete's sake, they couldn't even get it done in time. If there's a wager for when's #4 comes out, I'll bet on Christmas.

slucas76

07-10-2006, 11:49 PM

Don't bet on Christmas, mg, bet on next year.

Around Christmastime they'll be doing shooting for Season 3 of Lost and Lindelof will be chest deep in it.

#3 is now slated for August...

Hoss

07-15-2006, 05:56 AM

I completely forgot about that book! I was looking forward to that one too. Nuts!

The civil war continues to rage on as well! Poor Robbie! I hope he gets his powers back and goes all bouncy on those other inmates (CW: Frontline).

The newest installment of Thunderbolts was pretty interesting.

slucas76

07-15-2006, 12:11 PM

I love T-Bolts now. I have no idea who anyone is, but they're all pretty cool characters.

I never knew Robbie had it in him. He was kind of a hard ass in FL this week.

jaydeebee

07-15-2006, 12:46 PM

Looks like "Speedball" is well on his way to becoming the Superboy of the Marvel Universe....and I think we all know where that's leading!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/jdb114/tombstone.jpg

slucas76

07-20-2006, 06:58 PM

I'm really getting into this Civil War. I haven't read any of my tie in issues yet this week, but I blew right through #3. Marvel really has hit on a winner this time.

Great drama, good action sequences, the books are very nicely intertwined. If they package the whole thing in sequence, it'll make for great reading!

Good job. I'm waiting for the IC trade to read all of that, so I'll see what I'm in for in September or so.

marvelguy

07-21-2006, 04:12 AM

Issue #3 is awesome. Marvel has scored a hit on their hands. This is a great time to be a Marvel zombie but alas not a good time for my wallets. :roll:

Hoss

07-21-2006, 04:31 AM

Issue #3 rocked! It was pretty action packed.

I picked up Civil War: X-men #1 as well. This was pretty good as well and set up the mutants role in the war as well.

Hoss

09-03-2006, 06:14 AM

I finshed the first two issues of Cable and Deadpool CW tie in (I forgot the issue #'s). I haven't read any Deadpool books before. The issues were pretty funny too.

slucas76

09-03-2006, 01:12 PM

I read Ish #30 of Cable Deadpool and I'm going to try to pick up the past issues too. Fabian writes very well for Deadpool and that issue had me laughing my bum off. I haven't gotten paid for about a month, so I have a huge back log at the LCS that I have to pick up in a couple of weeks.[/img]

Hoss

09-26-2006, 05:52 AM

Just finished CW #4 and I'm still hooked! What a battle between these two sides! I really don't like Iron Man. He's mean! Thor? Yikes what a bad ass!

Wolverine CW is also very good. It's a great storyline, but the art is somewhat weird. I like it and hate it at the same time.

CW X-Men is pretty good reading. I'm sure that it won't convince me to continue buying X books though.

Everyone still on board?

Anyone getting off the crazy CW train?

SatansProdigy

09-26-2006, 05:56 AM

marvelguy

09-27-2006, 01:26 AM

CW 4 is a really good read after the long wait. I am very pleased about the developments in this issue after the #3 shocker. Again, another long wait for #5 and it becomes monthly afterwards. Glad to see Spidey having second thoughts about the results of Tony's actions and him asking others about it plus I wonder who is the masked man spying on Cap's team. Mysteries galore!!

Blufalkn2

09-27-2006, 09:15 PM

I dug this issue as well. I have a question though:

1. How the F%$k do you "Clone" a god? I didn't think (crazy assumptions) that gods had the same physiology as humanoids. Then just turn around and get him to lie still while drill a hole in a gods head and kill him?

Tony has to go. Whatever the outcome of CW, someone needs to sick the punisher on him or something. Maybe spidey will sneak up and "Roshambo" his sorry a&&. He has gotten out of hand. #captainamerica#

marvelguy

10-12-2006, 08:40 PM

Here's the variant cover for CW #5.

Taking bets as to who is the mystery man is from #4?

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CIVILWAR-05cov-CMYKcrop_t.jpg

stupidman

10-12-2006, 10:26 PM

I read CW 4. Looks like Spiderman is having second thoughts. Looking forward to seeing what happens with that.

Wolverine artwork makes my head hurt and eyes bleed! Who the hell is the artist and can i run his/her ass over with my truck?!?!?! #creep#

I've been bitching about him on the Ebay Board. Humberto Ramos sucks soooo bad!

http://members.aol.com/catmanstu/ramossucks.jpg

Hoss

10-13-2006, 12:21 AM

I kind like it and hate it at the same time! I don't know what it is about Ramos' art.

fulltimer56

10-13-2006, 04:57 AM

I can tell you about his art, it SUCKS like a big dog!! :x

I have seen some bad art with Wolverine but I think this takes the cake!!

Linda

marvelguy

10-15-2006, 09:11 PM

There's a new book out come January called The Return. This is a Civil War tie-in. Here's the info.

CIVIL WAR: THE RETURN
Written by PAUL JENKINS
Penciled by TOM RANEY
As the Civil War rages, two of the universe’s greatest heroes are confronted with pasts they can’t leave behind in two heart-rendering tales. On Earth, the Sentry confronts his inner demons as the shadows of past and future battles tear him apart. Within The Negative Zone, the walls of 42, are pulled back to reveal the return of one of the Marveldom’s greatest heroes…now face-to-face with a Universe they no longer recognize.

And the pic that comes with it.
http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF17art/MCRETURN_t.jpg

Blufalkn2

10-16-2006, 06:23 PM

You think they'll put out a "Sketch variant" of that one. I would definitely shell out some serious cah for that one!! :P

Typical Marvel though, they're going to ride this one out until it dies! #captainamerica#

jaydeebee

10-17-2006, 12:09 AM

"..the walls of 42, are pulled back to reveal the return of one of the Marveldom’s greatest heroes…now face-to-face with a Universe they no longer recognize."

Stan Lee?

marvelguy

10-17-2006, 12:18 AM

If I haven't heard or have yet to read anywhere else about it, I'm guessing good ole CB.

Hoss

10-17-2006, 01:48 AM

I'm wracking my brain and I have no clue what CB could stand for! :oops:

marvelguy

10-17-2006, 03:07 AM

Heh, heh, he's a Avenger, an excellent marksman.

marvelguy

10-17-2006, 03:16 AM

But, I could be wrong, why would he be there to begin with?

Other guesses is The Mighty Thor, but he would have to be in human form for that to happen and he's supposed to be dead, right?
How about the original Human Torch from the early Timely comics days and the last time I remember him in comics is in the pages of West Coast Avengers by Byrne, but, he's an android, not a super-human.
I'm still wracking my brain to see if there's any one very well-known that would come back. :?

Way back in the old Corral boards, I was right about Peter Parker ID reveal being one of the events in Civil War.

StlComics

10-17-2006, 05:47 AM

My money's on Thor. More money to be made on him than CB...

jaydeebee

10-17-2006, 02:12 PM

Could be Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell). Since Joey Q uses Marvel's history for toilet paper, I can see him green-lighting the return of the only character in Marvel Comics history to ever stay dead.

stupidman

10-17-2006, 02:25 PM

If CB = Clint Barton, he's already coming back with The Scarlet Witch. Isn't it this month's Avengers? A new Thor series by J Michael Straczynski amd Ariel Copiel has already been announced. If they bring back Mar-vell I'm going to puke.

jaydeebee

01-25-2007, 02:16 PM

Could be Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell). Since Joey Q uses Marvel's history for toilet paper, I can see him green-lighting the return of the only character in Marvel Comics history to ever stay dead.

It hurts me sometimes to always be right...you can't imagine the pain, oh the pain of it all!#oldie#

marvelguy

01-25-2007, 09:31 PM

Recently. I've read Civil War The Return, which featured a returning character not seen in quite a while. The way they brought him back was somewhat vague.

Hoss

01-26-2007, 03:40 AM

Good book, but don't know much about the returnee or that Sentry fella either...:(

Blufalkn2

01-26-2007, 05:48 PM

They (Marvel) obviously have been reading the blog-a-verse comments about them bringing back mar-vell. I think it's extremely sneaky how they didn't really reincarnate him....Just brought a younger him in to the future after had died. Very gay. (no offense to my alternate lifestyle comic geeks)

And the whole Sentry thing can't get anymore vague without eliminating him altogether.

marvelguy

01-26-2007, 08:07 PM

Yeah, good point. It seemed to me that Marvel is trying to stretch the Civil War bandwagon to keep up with 52. Not that I dislike Civil War, it's really a good series but delaying it and adding more one shots is just too much. I don't see what the purpose for Mar-Vell is? All of a sudden they threw the keys at him for the position of warden. That's lame.

Evil Parsnip

01-27-2007, 01:11 PM

So, Speedball is dead? Night Thrasher, too? Namorita? Hmmm, I won't miss the first two, but she was too good of a character to throw away. Maybe Nitro's blast didn't fry her but somehow concussed her and threw her miles away, stunned and amnesiac until some writer wants to use her. Yeah, right.

Really? I never could stand her...

Hoss

02-20-2007, 04:57 AM

Seems like it was only last May when I read the first issue of CW. Man it has been a great ride so far. I managed to get every issue except for nine. :( I didn't get any of the variants either.

I'm really excited about the final issue coming out on Wed. Who dies? Who wins? I don't know! All I do know is that Marvel is going to continue dragging this puppy on for months and they have me completely ensnared in this. I planned on dropping lots of stuff after CW...but I am very interested in the future of this "new" MU.

Dammit.

jaydeebee

02-21-2007, 08:04 PM

Re: Civil War #7
Three Words.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/jdb114/_1172087665_181.jpg
WORST.
ENDING.
EVER.

marvelguy

02-22-2007, 02:27 AM

Now that the issue is out. What is your thoughts on the issue? Rants? Raves? Redress? Recylced ideas? Rebukes?

For me, it was a mild finish to an otherwise great series.

jaydeebee

02-22-2007, 02:45 AM

Re: Civil War #7
Three Words.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/jdb114/_1172087665_181.jpg
WORST.
ENDING.
EVER.

marvelguy

02-22-2007, 02:51 AM

Re: Civil War #7
Three Words.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/jdb114/_1172087665_181.jpg
WORST.
ENDING.
EVER.

Yeah, I felt somewhat CHEATED!! The last few pages seemed.......rushed, you can tell by the art, it is way off from what was done in the first 20 some pages. That's why it was late, because of the added on extra pages. Anybody thinks there will be an issue called Civil War: The Untold Story, like in the vein of Phoenix the Untold Story?

jaydeebee

02-22-2007, 03:11 AM

How about an alternate ending where the bad guys get killed instead of winning?

Hoss

02-22-2007, 04:50 AM

I was somewhat disappointed in this final issue. :(

My Civil War adventure ends here, that's for sure. I'll stick with my main Marvel titles, but those tie ins are over for me.

Plus, Now I can save up for that wicked ass Marvel Zombies Spider-Man and Mary Jane statue in this months Previews!

What a let down #7 was... :(

jaydeebee

02-22-2007, 12:50 PM

I think the outcome of CIVIL WAR gives the reader a disturbing look into the minds of the writers and the Marvel Editorial staff. Apparently they believe that fighting for one's individual rights is not as important as submitting to a fascist government.

So many of Marvel's characters are now ruined for me, that I don't see how I can continue to fork over $2.99 an issue to read about them. I certainly will not read the new Mighty Avengers title, or the old New Avengers.

I'd been enjoying the Captain America title, but it looks like he'll be out of commission now for a time. Spider-Man has been compromised by revealing his ID in CW and by his association with Iron Fascist.

As for Iron Fascist and the rest of his Lightning Squad, why would I want to read about these characters? They are hardly heroic anymore and I disagress deeply with the whole idea of the "pro-registration" movement, both for it's real-world analogy to gun registration and for the fact that it alters the basic formula of what a comic book hero is. A comic book hero isn't supposed to be some goverment certified agent, will they get government holidays, medical benefits and pension?

Instead of having their characters be colorful characters who stand up for American Ideals, Marvel has had their "heroes" stand up for an overstepping government's registration movement, and there is nothing heroic about that.

I know these are only fictional characters in a comic book reality, but that's the point. Comic book heroes are supposed to fight for right over might, these supposed heroes fought for might makes right, and that is not acceptable.

I am offended by the entire premise and outcome of Marvel's CIVIL WAR.

This just in from Joey the Q: "Hey true believers, bow down and kiss the government's powerful ass! Don't forget to buy your new limited edition Jack-Booted Iron Man Action Figure kids, ten variant styles to choose from!"

fulltimer56

02-22-2007, 03:09 PM

I can't make a comment because I haven't read any of my Civil War books. I have them all nice and stacked by my computer waiting for my Civil War #7 to come in!! Then when I put Arthur on the plane to go back to Afghanistan, I'm coming home and instead of crying all night I'm going to read my comics!! Well, I hope so anyway!!

Linda

StlComics

02-22-2007, 07:45 PM

I pretty much agree with everyone here. I was pretty let down by the whole thing. Months and months of building the story up only to end on such a crappy note. The real kicker though is that it isn't over yet. There are still going to be more crossovers and miniseries to make this last even longer. The only thing Marvel is really doing with all of this is making me want to read more comics from indy publishers...

marvelguy

02-22-2007, 08:55 PM

Yes, like the others that will cut back on tie-ins and what-not after the fact. I'll be doing the same, I will stick to the main titles and looking forward to World War Hulk. Who knows? Maybe Hulk will change the outcome of what Civil War is meant to be. Is Thor still around for the government's help in defeating Hulk? If not, who will? Food for thought.

Blufalkn2

02-22-2007, 11:51 PM

I haven't gotten mine yet....but I take it the good guys lost?

That's a pisser!

Blufalkn2

02-23-2007, 12:01 AM

Hoss,
I tried to pm you on a significant price reduction but your mailbox is full

Hoss

02-23-2007, 01:15 AM

Sorry Blufalkn2!

I cleared out some space finally. I just can't delete anything!

SatansProdigy

02-23-2007, 06:05 PM

Read this and agree with the majority here. Marvel gets less and less of my money every week, not that they got a lot to begin with. I'm pretty much down to Ghost Rider and a few odds and ends.

marvelguy

02-23-2007, 09:07 PM

As the mid-week come and goes. I had a strange deja vu today about the state of comics today. Is it strong? Is it the calm before the storm? Does it feels like the mid-90's all over again where comics were flat? You know, alot of fans were disappointed about Civil War and Infinite Crisis, will that mean mass exodus for fans?
Anyways, I feel that we're heading for a downturn in comics. I think it has reached its peak and now it's coming down.
What you guys think?

jaydeebee

02-23-2007, 09:22 PM

I think if they would concentrate the amount of effort into their regular monthly titles that they do into their "events" they would find a more loyal following and overall better sales.#oldie#

For example; What if Marvel had spent some time and energy building up to the events which led to the Civil War, rather than simply springing it on us cold. Are we to accept that one tragic event involving Super-Heroes is enough to build such a movement as the Registration Act and so divide the Marvel Heroes? Are we to believe that suddenly after decades of doing everything he could to protect his true identity and his family, that Spider-Man would just decide to trash all that by revealing himself as Peter Parker to the world without any regard as to the ramifications? :confused:

Even though as a stand-alone story, Civil War has it's moments, as a part of the overall Marvel Universe, much of what occurs is far-fetched, for the Marvel Universe I mean. The whole thing has more of an alternate reality feel, moreso than a "616" feel. :?

If the dark, fascist-run place that exists at the end of Civil War is the Marvel Universe of the future, count me out! That's not a place I care to visit again.:(

StlComics

02-23-2007, 10:37 PM

marvelguy

02-24-2007, 04:36 AM

Even though as a stand-alone story, Civil War has it's moments, as a part of the overall Marvel Universe, much of what occurs is far-fetched, for the Marvel Universe I mean. The whole thing has more of an alternate reality feel, moreso than a "616" feel. :?

Exactly, that's how I felt as the series ended. I wonder if there's a "reconning fix" somewhere down the road for what had transpired in the Marvel Universe like The Scarlet Witch did just by saying "no more mutants" to get rid of the mutants in O Town made famous by Morrison. That's the premise of culling it in the M.U.
The new director of SHIELD isn't that much of a change in staus quo in the M.U. What is? Registration Act? That's been done before in the form of Mutant Registration Act many, many moons ago. The only big change is Spider-Man's reveal.

Evil Parsnip

07-25-2007, 12:30 AM

just started reading this one.. its interesting thus far but through issue 8 I've found it a little slow and an awful lot like the storyline from Legends back in the late 80s/early 90s. It seems a lot contrived at times - although I do love the idea of the New Warriors (who were petty lame) as reality TV characters.

Evil Parsnip

09-03-2007, 01:15 AM

I just managed to track down and finish the Civil War storyline... and all I can say was wow was that ending lame. I kind of felt that they built this thing with no idea how to end it (the death of Cap notwithstanding) and they just reached a point where they said "let's call the whole thing off". I also kind of feel that it hobbled and lamed up the whole Marvel Universe and made me really dislike a lot of characters who before were fairly good easy to relate to guys.