No more Private Feedback for Sellers

[chaosus]

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200610.shtml#2006-10-02120653


I have to wonder what Comic Keys is going to do now ?

#dunno#

[marvelguy]

Maybe he'll change his name to Comic Keyless? :twisted:

[The Charlton Guy]

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Great Googily Moogily!!!

The Trim-Meister's feedback will be the most-awaited read of 2006!!!

I figure there's at LEAST 100 Neutrals on all of those returns of the never-ending stream of chop-jobs.

If...that is, IF, ebay comes through. :?

I remember a similar promise about eradicating negative feedback from NARU members.

They never came through on that one...

[The Charlton Guy]

Maybe that's why he's unloading about $20,000.00 worth of color-touched chop-jobs as we speak...

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcomic-keysQQhtZ-1

[chaosus]

I think all of Comic Keys books were listed before 10/26.

I think I'm going to bid on that Hulk #1 that only has the MINIMAL COLOR TOUCH

But that's just to make you crazy CG!

:twisted:

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

Hye Gary, I don't check in that often so I didn't know you were back and well. I had to disuade a friend from buying that Amazing Stories from 1938 that keys has up now. Once again, thanks to y'all, I was aware of this sucka fools trips.

[The Charlton Guy]

I think I'm going to bid on that Hulk #1 that only has the MINIMAL COLOR TOUCH

But that's just to make you crazy CG!

:twisted:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/the-charlton-guy/psycho-chaos.jpg

[oxbladder]

Maybe that's why he's unloading about $20,000.00 worth of color-touched chop-jobs as we speak...

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcomic-keysQQhtZ-1

well .... I doubt that. whenever I have browsed his auctions he usually has a $20000 worth of books up.

[StlComics]

It's too bad we had to throw him off of Stl, or we could go ask him... :lol:

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

I've been to the STL site recently but didn't check it out entirely. What exactly is going on there? And has anybody used comic link before? They have some nice books.

[SatansProdigy]

STL is a cool site. Nice folks there. As for Comic Link, I've been to the site a few times. Never bought anything. Don't they charge a buyers premium? Why the hell would I pay someone for letting me spend my own money? Maybe they changed it.....or maybe I'm thinking of another site.

[stupidman]

Hey Gary, good to see you back!

I wouldn't get too excited, I don't expect Danny/Richard to make his Private FB public. He'll probably just register a new ID or use one of the ones he's been shilling his auctions with :-D

http://members.aol.com/catmanstu/comickeys.jpg

[stupidman]

Why the hell would I pay someone for letting me spend my own money?

Is Josh still illegally charging an extra 3% for credit card orders?

[oxbladder]

I have purchase a few books off CLink. I had no issues with it ... welll except a employee, that was terminated, forgot to send my book and it took a bit of time to fix up the problem. I never had issues with price premiums (they are way better than Heritage). Lately however asking prices have been stupid.

[oxbladder]

I've been to the STL site recently but didn't check it out entirely. What exactly is going on there?

Oh you know the usual. Sacrificing babies, Devil worship, etc. :-D

[SatansProdigy]

I've been to the STL site recently but didn't check it out entirely. What exactly is going on there?

Oh you know the usual. Sacrificing babies, Devil worship, etc. :-D

No wonder I like it so much! #banana1#

[stupidman]

I've been to the STL site recently but didn't check it out entirely. What exactly is going on there?

Oh you know the usual. Sacrificing babies, Devil worship, etc. :-D

If you really want to see Ox causing trouble you need to check out the CGC Board :lol:

(I'm kidding - that other guy (bullet123) was being a dick - "who are you, why do you hide anonymously", etc)

[oxbladder]

I think I have caused problems where ever I have gone. I get accused of having a thin skin and all but I think I am pretty good at taking crap from people. I usually do it without name calling unlike many folks out there.

[oxbladder]

If you really want to see Ox causing trouble you need to check out the CGC Board :lol:

(I'm kidding - that other guy (bullet123) was being a dick - "who are you, why do you hide anonymously", etc)

I thought it was kinda funny that guy still accused me of being anon even after I changed my profile and told him exactly who I was.

Oh yeah if people wanna know who I am on that forum I go by the handle "codfish"

[jaydeebee]

I'm bookmarking comic-keys feedback page, it should be interesting to see whether he goes public or just switches ID's. Judging by how few listings he currently has running, I predict he's most likely changing ID's and that comic-keys will NARU by the end of next week.

[stupidman]

I'm bookmarking comic-keys feedback page, it should be interesting to see whether he goes public or just switches ID's. Judging by how few listings he currently has running, I predict he's most likely changing ID's and that comic-keys will NARU by the end of next week.

Over on the CGC Board they thought they had found one of his "new" IDS, but it seems to maybe be a different dirtbag seller named "gio72" was also had Private feedback but was NARU'd a couple months ago. Weird how they were both in New York.
And re: your last sentence - do you think comic-keys will shut down his own account?

[oxbladder]

I actually don't believe CK's fb is all that bad. I don't expect him to go anywhere .... just like I firmly believe Jason Ewert has not gone anywhere.

[stupidman]

I actually don't believe CK's fb is all that bad.

What do you consider "bad"? I would expect a lot of Positives that say "the book turned out to be restored, but I got a refund". That's bad to me. Plus, any mutually withdrawn negs are very bad to me. His FB definitely goes beyond the Negs/Neutrals we know he has.

[oxbladder]

I would guess that his feedback is no better or worse than ... say neatstuff. I would guess that many people are not even aware that they may have trimmed or restored books. Forums give only a very small view of the collecting world and market.

Personally I don't care what his feedback is because I would never come across him in my search for the back issues I am looking for. Other than visiting his auction every once in awhile when people post links I never have had a single one of his books come up in searches I do for my own personal use.

He is actually only one of many that I wish were not in the business. He has enough satisfied customers to continue on unfortunately. Even if he left eBay there are still lots of scammers and some of them are even endorsed by the powers that be.

[stupidman]

He is actually only one of many that I wish were not in the business.

Do tell, do tell! :lol:

Who else? Steve Lauterbach? Doug Schmell? Metro? DT Alexander? Rich Muchin? Mike Carbonaro? PCE? Names, I want names! :twisted:

[The Charlton Guy]

I would guess that many people are not even aware that they may have trimmed or restored books...

That's my biggest beef with this would-be-beefcake.

He has been flooding the market with undisclosed trimmed books for YEARS with no recourse.

I figure at least 2 to 3,000 prime title, SA and BA gems ruined and set loose on a buying market that is for the most part totally ignorant of the scam.

He makes me sick.

What he does is the epitome of comic collecting sacrilage.

[oxbladder]

Its no worse that CGC blue labelling clearly worked on books and claiming the work was not work at all. There are many scammers out there CK is but one of them. I do not expect him to disappear any time soon because he has return policies that he honours. Fortunately many folks know of his ways. CGC protects those scammers who they have graded books for. #explode#

[The Charlton Guy]

As far as I know, and I'm probably being naive, CGC doesn't weild the exacto blade and other various trimming devices while grading. I know they have been accused of having their on-site "restoration experts" either aid and abet the passing of restored books as blue label, but they are not the ones desecrating the books.

There are many reasons why I feel strongly about this, and I won't bore you with them (for now), but the bottom line is that it breaks my heart to see otherwise perfectly good, highly collectible books, trimmed and color-touched for no other reason than to make a buck. Even if it is $20,000 a month. I know that everybody has to make a buck, but this ongoing fiasco of his is making a significant contribution to destoying a very good number of prized, collectible books. It just breaks my heart to think of all of those sliced and diced books that can never be restored, can never again be what they once were (that is, perfectly beautiful comics, warts and all).

As for CGC protecting the scammers, that's a given, and to be expected. It's the nature of the Beast (the Greedy Beast), and a very sad state of affairs.

[oxbladder]

As far as I know, and I'm probably being naive, CGC doesn't weild the exacto blade and other various trimming devices while grading. I know they have been accused of having their on-site "restoration experts" either aid and abet the passing of restored books as blue label, but they are not the ones desecrating the books.

There are many reasons why I feel strongly about this, and I won't bore you with them (for now), but the bottom line is that it breaks my heart to see otherwise perfectly good, highly collectible books, trimmed and color-touched for no other reason than to make a buck. Even if it is $20,000 a month. I know that everybody has to make a buck, but this ongoing fiasco of his is making a significant contribution to destoying a very good number of prized, collectible books. It just breaks my heart to think of all of those sliced and diced books that can never be restored, can never again be what they once were (that is, perfectly beautiful comics, warts and all).

As for CGC protecting the scammers, that's a given, and to be expected. It's the nature of the Beast (the Greedy Beast), and a very sad state of affairs.

Well no CGC does not wield the exacto or touch up the books but they do give free passes to it ... in some cases ... and since they are held in high regard they are complicit in the process. This angers me because they are not supposed to be sanctioning such things. They were supposed to be there to protect the consumer against such things.

I absolutely agree that it is sick to see so many perfectly gorgeous books be manipulated into higher grades. I have said it for some time now. Again though we feed that because we are not or trained not to be satisfied with lower grades. It is a terrible game that I feel both seller and buyer are endorsing ... in many cases.

Until we consumers actually take a hard stand against such actions and not just pontificate it will continue to happen and sadly many of our old treasures will end out not being so original any more. THAT is sad. Personally I no will not buy from Heritage or many of the BSDs simply because I do not want to be ripped off or support their sinful actions. I do buy the odd graded book but only if it fills a hole and it is a reasonable price. I refuse to play into the hands of the greedy BSDs

[The Charlton Guy]

Man, are you ever preachin' to the choir!

Thanks for voicing pretty much exactly how I feel about the whole "do what it takes to get a high grade book" mentality.

As for taking action, my efforts might be somewhat meager, but diligent.

Thus this Board, thus threads like this and the continuance therof.

If my admittedly twisted mind, one of the reasons The Corral was started (or at least, one of the primary reasons why I am here) is so that I could help bring these scam artists to the light of day.

It is an arduous task.

Oxbladder, thanks again for piping in and for coming on Board.

[marvelguy]

If my admittedly twisted mind, one of the reasons The Corral was started (or at least, one of the primary reasons why I am here) is so that I could help bring these scam artists to the light of day.

It is an arduous task.


I did not know that the Corral was created to find and smoke the comics terrorists out. I thought it was for comics fans to come and relax in the sunshine of the Corral.:D

[SatansProdigy]

I did not know that the Corral was created to find and smoke the comics terrorists out. I thought it was for comics fans to come and relax in the sunshine of the Corral.:D

Disregard CG's post! He will be beaten with a damp copy of X-Men #1 for giving away the secret agenda of the Corral! #angry1#

Hey! That smilie looks like it's flipping me the bird! This must be CG's doing! #shifty#

[The Charlton Guy]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/the-charlton-guy/Avatars/PeeWee-AVATAR.jpg

[The Charlton Guy]

I did not know that the Corral was created to find and smoke the comics terrorists out. I thought it was for comics fans to come and relax in the sunshine of the Corral.:D

"SMOKE 'EM OUT! SMOKE 'EM OUT! SMOKE 'EM OUT!"


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/the-charlton-guy/Crowd.jpg

"SMOKE 'EM OUT! SMOKE 'EM...ACHK...CACGGG...ARRRRGH...""

[marvelguy]

#rofl# #rofl#

#clap#

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

y'know, one of the main reasons I came to the coral is, like CK said, because we can talk about the scammers and try to do something about them. The first thing to do is amass info. on who they are and what they are doing. Maybe the second step is to set up a thread here and maybe eventually a board all it's own strictly devoted to spotting restro and in a proactive step explaining

how to properly care for a book,

what it does to the book when it is trimmed and or pressed,

Who are the people you can trust to do proper comic restorations,

Why a book is devalued when it is retored and on a side note how the PLOD effcts the sale and collector value of a book.

I work with a guy who was a book restorationist for years and worked at the library of congress for a while. He and I tallk sometimes and one of the things that has come up is that these newsprint GA and SA books are degrading now and can only last so long. More and more restoration is going to get done and if educated hopefully the collectors will demand it be done properly.

[SILLYSHIP--pirate eye--]

P.S. I bought this book for a speculator friend of mine and it was restored, tape, staples moved, pages moved around, 17 to the centerfold, 13 after etc. But the seller did the right thing and refunded me upon receipt of the returned book.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=
STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120040946103&rd=1&rd=1

At one point I thought I wanted to be a comic book restorationist, maybe I still do.

[oxbladder]

Well I will tell you my own personal view on restoration. I think that the ONLY work that should be considered restoration is tat work that as been done by a PROPERLY TRAINED/EDUCATED professional. So somebody like Tracy Heft or Susan Ciccone. Both those individual have proper formal training, maybe Matt Nelson does too but i don't recall. All the rest of the "professional" restorer's work would be considered repairs.

ONLY properly trained professional work would be considered restoration and be worthy of a restored designation or CGC purple label. This restored designation would only be allowed if the certificate of work done was retain and passed from owner to owner. If lost the book would no longer be considered restored.

All that work that falls under repairs would either get a CGC green label TWO grades on it, one the actual grade considering the repairs as defects and te other with the apparent grade, or a Blue label with one grade and all repairs considered defects.

As far as I am concerned this would remove much of the negative stigma from restored books, hopefully drive unqualified "professionals" and hacks away, and raise the value of true professional work. Face if we want many of the old books to survive for a long time we WILL need to have work done on them at some point because it is a medium that was never designed to last a very long time. True restoration professionals are our friends and their work should be more highly valued.

at the same time we need to drive the hacks away that painted a negative image of restoration since so much restoration and repairs have not been done to preserve the book so much as to garner more money for it. The negative view on restoration and conservation only gets further damaged when we see those books that have clearly had work done on them get tagged with bright shiny blue labels and with significantly higher grades.

While CGC and many of their followers can get away with explaining away this crap they try and destroy the image/reputation on any individual who sells books that are overgraded or that the individual may have made a mistake in grading on. Many sellers unjustly live in fear and intentionally have to undergrade their book just to be able to stay alive online. Funny how some can get away with scamming or even get "offical" endorsment for manufacturing grades while the rest of us have to watch our every move.