DC UNIVERSE to be re-booted....

[marvelguy]

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/DC-Universe-Reboot-Announcement-110531.html

[nocutename]

So silly and now I know why I haven't picked up anything recently. I love DC but they are making it tough. I would like to keep an open mind and hope that it works out for the best. I still wanted to pick up some current titles in trade and now I feel like why bother as it will not have an impact on what will happen in the near future.

[jaydeebee]

I'm done.

No More Comics.

[jaydeebee]

In fact, I encourage everyone to boycott DC COMICS starting tomorrow. I just sent an email to DCBS cancelling all of the titles I buy there and I'll have to break the bad news to my LCS tomorrow...not looking forward to that, but I will not support the Marvelization of DC.

[malaprop]

I hope this means they are resurrecting The Adventures of Alan Ladd, one of my favorites.

[jordanscott]

I think the renumbering is actually the lesser issue.

In this (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20196.html) article they indicate that Jim Lee is creating new costumes for over 50 characters in order to make them more interesting to the current generation of readers.

First of all, going all the way back to Image, I've never thought Jim Lee was all the hype made him out to be. More recently, the redesigned Wonder Woman costume he did shows he's got no idea what 'the current generation' would consider cool since, for the most part, we are still the current generation. Kids don't read comics anymore! (yes, there are exceptions).

This just seems like a couple really bad ideas that are destined to end poorly.

Same day digital release seems like a good idea, though. Anybody do that? Are digital copies less expensive than the print?

[comicstock]

Looks like a convenient 'jumping off' point for readers.

[Grico]

I saw somewhere that 3/4ths of the creative teams are changing. I think that is going to hurt a number of titles, especially as you might think the lower tier titles are going to given new teams more willy nilly. I'm most concerned about Batgirl and Thunder Agents, two books I am sure are nowhere near priorities in such a a shake up.

I also have to say it seems like a bizarre idea to have this come out of Flashpoint an event that didn't touch 99% of the line. With Crisis there was alot of lead in time and tie-ins with almost the whole line. With this something that was mostly a Flash event is going to be used to reboot the whole universe in John's and Lee's image. I'm not exactly optimistic. I guess at least we are supposed to be getting more Grant Morrison Superman.

[pasnat54]

Hmmm... I wonder if other comic book readers who gave up on superhero books well before the advent of events are feeling as smug and smirky as I am right about now?

Usagi Yojimbo, Fables, or Hellboy anyone?

[Hepcat]

In this (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20196.html) article they indicate that Jim Lee is creating new costumes for over 50 characters in order to make them more interesting to the current generation of readers.

First of all, going all the way back to Image, I've never thought Jim Lee was all the hype made him out to be. More recently, the redesigned Wonder Woman costume he did shows he's got no idea what 'the current generation' would consider cool since, for the most part, we are still the current generation. Kids don't read comics anymore! (yes, there are exceptions).


Jim Lee? Isn't he the buffoon that says that his Batman is the only Batman? What a stupid, stupid idea to give Jim Lee so much creative input. I've seen him do nothing to merit that.

Leave the costumes alone! And how many long term readers were so turned off by the logical contradictions left by the Crisis rebooting that they stopped buying any new DC titles?

:mad:

[fulltimer56]

Jim Lee? Isn't he the buffoon that says that his Batman is the only Batman? What a stupid, stupid idea to give Jim Lee so much creative input. I've seen him do nothing to merit that.

Leave the costumes alone! And how many long term readers were so turned off by the logical contradictions left by the Crisis rebooting that they stopped buying any new DC titles?

:mad:

ME.... I haven't been buying that many DC for a while now.... I have been keeping my Superman titles going but I don't know if I will keep buying after this...

Linda

[nocutename]

Jim Lee? Isn't he the buffoon that says that his Batman is the only Batman? What a stupid, stupid idea to give Jim Lee so much creative input. I've seen him do nothing to merit that.
:mad:

Didn't Lee take over Paul Levitz position? It would be hard to think he wouldn't make any changes.

[nocutename]

I think the renumbering is actually the lesser issue.

In this (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20196.html) article they indicate that Jim Lee is creating new costumes for over 50 characters in order to make them more interesting to the current generation of readers.

First of all, going all the way back to Image, I've never thought Jim Lee was all the hype made him out to be. More recently, the redesigned Wonder Woman costume he did shows he's got no idea what 'the current generation' would consider cool since, for the most part, we are still the current generation. Kids don't read comics anymore! (yes, there are exceptions).

This just seems like a couple really bad ideas that are destined to end poorly.

Same day digital release seems like a good idea, though. Anybody do that? Are digital copies less expensive than the print?

Jordan, you went to the heart of the issue IMO. That and they will be changing orgins, making some younger, etc. I wonder if there will be a deal with Neron or something similiar.

[marvelguy]

Are digital copies less expensive than the print?

The reprints for the Marvel downloads is about $1.99 each......dunno the price for new same-day comics....that's a good question.


My brother-in-law recently downloaded a "pile" (what do you call it if you had a stack of comics in digital terms?) of comics at $1.99 each and those comics can be easily had for a dollar or less each. :cry:

[toz1960]

I quit DC way back after the original Crisis.I bought the Spirit for awhile but dropped that too so I got no dogs in this race.But it does seem like a real BIG mistake.Give the readers a quality product and they will stick with it.

Kinda reminds me of what the government does in throwing money at problems instead of fixing them.

[nocutename]

I meant to mention this before but Archie comics has started same day digital releases in April. So DC is not the first that is why the article mentions first Superhero comic to do this. I guess they charge the same as their normal digital comics but I don't follow prices on them. I don't have any smart device to read them so I haven't bothered with it. My thing is I purchase a comic and I still have a tangible item to sell. Do you think digital comics will hold any resale value?

I am curious how the move to digital will impact LCS. I think right now for the most part there will be miminal impact as the digital market is not looking for single comics. Too much clutter. But as the market opens up to readership and existing collectors, there could be problems with LCS selling their current back stock.



The reprints for the Marvel downloads is about $1.99 each......dunno the price for new same-day comics....that's a good question.


My brother-in-law recently downloaded a "pile" (what do you call it if you had a stack of comics in digital terms?) of comics at $1.99 each and those comics can be easily had for a dollar or less each. :cry:

[Grico]

Personally I try to stay away from the main storyline of a comic universe, as the main storylines tend to need to be big and hollow focused on the short term events. It is the books on the fringes that are allowed to do what they want and be interesting. Peter David's X-Factor has done a good job of that through a good part of the run, only doing crossovers that made sense for what the book was trying to accomplish. Batgirl has been doing a good job of being a fun super hero book in its own corner of the Bat Universe. These smaller books can get away with not being greatly tied in with all these big events and re-boots, but the problem is that when the reboots happen the good of those titles is not taken into account. The books end up being at the whims of big events and trends that really have little to do with them.

[marvelguy]

I meant to mention this before but Archie comics has started same day digital releases in April. So DC is not the first that is why the article mentions first Superhero comic to do this. I guess they charge the same as their normal digital comics but I don't follow prices on them. I don't have any smart device to read them so I haven't bothered with it. My thing is I purchase a comic and I still have a tangible item to sell. Do you think digital comics will hold any resale value?

I am curious how the move to digital will impact LCS. I think right now for the most part there will be miminal impact as the digital market is not looking for single comics. Too much clutter. But as the market opens up to readership and existing collectors, there could be problems with LCS selling their current back stock.


I've read somewhere that when a person who reads comics via digital download is more eager to check out the LCS for that specific book. It brings new blood to the LCS. Who knows? This is a ballsy move.

[jordanscott]

Personally I try to stay away from the main storyline of a comic universe, as the main storylines tend to need to be big and hollow focused on the short term events. It is the books on the fringes that are allowed to do what they want and be interesting. Peter David's X-Factor has done a good job of that through a good part of the run, only doing crossovers that made sense for what the book was trying to accomplish. Batgirl has been doing a good job of being a fun super hero book in its own corner of the Bat Universe. These smaller books can get away with not being greatly tied in with all these big events and re-boots, but the problem is that when the reboots happen the good of those titles is not taken into account. The books end up being at the whims of big events and trends that really have little to do with them.

This is why I quit Marvel in the early 90s. They weren't quite as bad as they are now but my core reading was the X titles and they just snowballed into ridiculousness in terms of summer x-overs and multi-title stories.

When I got back into comics I was mostly DC because I was mostly DC as a kid and survived COIE without any scarring. :) But when Dan Dildo forced Johns to turn Blackest Night into a company x-over rather than a GL story I gave up on moderns totally. Well, monthlies, anyway. I will continue to pick up trades of the titles (can't wait for the new Powers to start rolling out trades) I like but can't be bothered with the monthly commitment in time and money (even at DCBS discounts).

I'd really consider digital if it was sufficiently inexpensive but I looked at DC and they are priced at $1.99. That's still too expensive for me. I could 'throw money away' on a monthly basis for DC at 99c but not at $2. That's my price point. If DC lowered their price and had a subscription service like iTunes does for podcasts I'd probably jump on the digital bandwagon for a bit. But not at $2 and not if I have to go out there every week and add stuff to my cart. It's not a difficult system to impl and it rewards DC for a reader's laziness and not keeping their pull list up to date much like most electronic subscription services.

Other than GL, DC's secondary titles were doing much more for me than core. Gotham City Sirens, Booster Gold, Zatanna are some really solid books. I'm worried about what a company wide change in all the creative teams (as is rumoured to go along with the reboots) is going to do to these good titles.

My other thought is how they expect digital to compete with torrents. Just for shits and giggles I did a torrent search for Green Lantern Emerald Warriors and the first return was an entry that seemed to be every book for Marvel, DC, Dark Horse and Archie for the week of 5/25/11. Without opening up a debate on the legality of this, Apple made iTunes work because they have a slick interface and a price point (99c) that people don't mind paying for individual tracks. Same price (or so) for digital product is always a failure. Wizards of the Coast constantly struggles with its digital magic products because they expect online users to pay 4$ or more just like for a real booster pack. The comic companies have to realize that to get their target audience to fully embrace the digital medium they don't need to revamp their characters, they don't need to re-number their books, they don't need to be gimicky. They just need to copy the iTunes model. Put their own spin on it so it's clearly not just dcTunes, but basically, make it sufficiently inexpensive and easy to use that that 10 year old they're supposedly trying to court can do set everything up and see everything she wants to see on any device.

As to resale as somebody asked above, what moderns have any real resale value? A $4 book is in the $1 bin 3 weeks after release and part of a 12 issue run for 8$ on ebay a month after that. Over the last 25 yrs, there's very few $$ keys and those are not going to achieve the same level of fame as AF15, GSX1, Action 1 or the like. They were just far too many produced and found in all grades to satisfy all level of collectors. Digital is totally about reading and not about speculating and I'm all for that.

[comicworkbench]

Jim Lee is not he guy to design new costumes for anybody. The guy is out of touch - maybe he could have done it in 1994 but not now. DC should pick a new young gun to do the redesign.


I think the renumbering is actually the lesser issue.

In this (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20196.html) article they indicate that Jim Lee is creating new costumes for over 50 characters in order to make them more interesting to the current generation of readers.

First of all, going all the way back to Image, I've never thought Jim Lee was all the hype made him out to be. More recently, the redesigned Wonder Woman costume he did shows he's got no idea what 'the current generation' would consider cool since, for the most part, we are still the current generation. Kids don't read comics anymore! (yes, there are exceptions).

This just seems like a couple really bad ideas that are destined to end poorly.

Same day digital release seems like a good idea, though. Anybody do that? Are digital copies less expensive than the print?

[jordanscott]

I've read somewhere that when a person who reads comics via digital download is more eager to check out the LCS for that specific book. It brings new blood to the LCS. Who knows? This is a ballsy move.

They say that for everything. The person that torrents a specific song is more likely to go buy the actual CD or pay for it at iTunes but I really don't know if that's accurate anymore. That's just too much the same line that was bandied about during the Napster trial and when P2P networks like Limewire and Bearshare get nuked by the RIAA. It sounds far too simplistic.

[marvelguy]

Anybody know what is the sales data for comic downloads? I see the top 300 at Diamond and thats just for printed books.

[marvelguy]

DC should pick a new young gun to do the redesign.

Shane Davis

[nocutename]

I'd really consider digital if it was sufficiently inexpensive but I looked at DC and they are priced at $1.99. That's still too expensive for me. I could 'throw money away' on a monthly basis for DC at 99c but not at $2. That's my price point. If DC lowered their price and had a subscription service like iTunes does for podcasts I'd probably jump on the digital bandwagon for a bit. But not at $2 and not if I have to go out there every week and add stuff to my cart. It's not a difficult system to impl and it rewards DC for a reader's laziness and not keeping their pull list up to date much like most electronic subscription services.

My other thought is how they expect digital to compete with torrents. Just for shits and giggles I did a torrent search for Green Lantern Emerald Warriors and the first return was an entry that seemed to be every book for Marvel, DC, Dark Horse and Archie for the week of 5/25/11. Without opening up a debate on the legality of this, Apple made iTunes work because they have a slick interface and a price point (99c) that people don't mind paying for individual tracks. Same price (or so) for digital product is always a failure. Wizards of the Coast constantly struggles with its digital magic products because they expect online users to pay 4$ or more just like for a real booster pack. The comic companies have to realize that to get their target audience to fully embrace the digital medium they don't need to revamp their characters, they don't need to re-number their books, they don't need to be gimicky. They just need to copy the iTunes model. Put their own spin on it so it's clearly not just dcTunes, but basically, make it sufficiently inexpensive and easy to use that that 10 year old they're supposedly trying to court can do set everything up and see everything she wants to see on any device.

As to resale as somebody asked above, what moderns have any real resale value? A $4 book is in the $1 bin 3 weeks after release and part of a 12 issue run for 8$ on ebay a month after that. Over the last 25 yrs, there's very few $$ keys and those are not going to achieve the same level of fame as AF15, GSX1, Action 1 or the like. They were just far too many produced and found in all grades to satisfy all level of collectors. Digital is totally about reading and not about speculating and I'm all for that.

I agree that a 1.99 price point is too high. I think a .99¢ price per issue would really rile the torrents sites. Beside, Marvel for a few years now have gone after those sites. There are forum or blog type sites that have posted we can no longer put up any Marvel content. So there is someone going after these guys.

As for resale value, I disagree somewhat. Most of my reads right now are picked from the bargain dollar boxes. So after I read them I resell them for 1.00. I now have my money back and can purchase more books. Of course that is oversimplied and I never really net out like that but the idea is I do make money back to purchase different books. If I go digital once I read it then what? No more seed money to get something new. Of course my thinking is completely in the minority.

[Hepcat]

Jim Lee is not he guy to design new costumes for anybody.

Perhaps if he learned how to draw first....

#flash#

[jordanscott]

As for resale value, I disagree somewhat. Most of my reads right now are picked from the bargain dollar boxes. So after I read them I resell them for 1.00. I now have my money back and can purchase more books. Of course that is oversimplied and I never really net out like that but the idea is I do make money back to purchase different books. If I go digital once I read it then what? No more seed money to get something new. Of course my thinking is completely in the minority.

I understand what you mean but would view digital purchases the same as going to a movie or some other disposable entertainment. As i said before, throw away money.

[nocutename]

Perhaps if he learned how to draw first....

#flash#

That really isn't a fair comment.

[jaydeebee]

I guess at least we are supposed to be getting more Grant Morrison Superman.

To me that's like saying, "yeah we've ripped your eyelids off, but at least we've bandaged your eyes with sandpaper and fire ants!"

[nocutename]

I understand what you mean but would view digital purchases the same as going to a movie or some other disposable entertainment. As i said before, throw away money.

Yes, that is exactly how I would think of it as well. Next time you go shopping at a mall or getting coffee, look around. You will notice more and more people playing with their mobile device. They designed credit card swipers for mobile phones. It will catch on as I can see people just wanting to get a quick fix. What would be great is to capture that young reader that will read entire series while in the store. If they price them cheap enough, who knows.

[jordanscott]

To me that's like saying, "yeah we've ripped your eyelids off, but at least we've bandaged your eyes with sandpaper and fire ants!"

A buddy I play Heroclix with is a big Morrison fan and is always quick to bring me Morrison news. He's debating picking it up simply because of this announcement.

[pasnat54]

I'm not sure how much digital books will cut down on print books sales. Like a (diminishing, admittedly) number of people, I don't particularly care for e-books. I like having the physical book in my hands; it has a unique feel and identity that I don't get from an e-reader. After all, an e-reader is no more than what is on the screen at the moment. A book is there, on my shelf, beside my bed, in the bathroom, always creating a presence.

If it were only about gleaning information/entertainment, then e-readers would be okay. But they make reading less of an experience.

Now that Amazon sells more e-books than print books, it looks like the handwriting may be on the wall for print comics as well. But there is a mitigating factor; the art. I don't know if seeing art on monitor, no matter how big and bright, could compete with seeing the artwork on paper. Just as you can view Van Gogh's Starry Night on a monitor (and on one of my neckties as well) and read all about its creation, it's still not the same as seeing the work for real.

And though I know a comic book page is a step or two removed from the original artwork, paper seems to be the best milieu for this kind of work.

[Grico]

To me that's like saying, "yeah we've ripped your eyelids off, but at least we've bandaged your eyes with sandpaper and fire ants!"

Ha, to each their own. I enjoyed All-star Superman, although after that I'm not sure what Morrison wants to do with Superman in the open ended series format. Honestly I'm just hoping DC has put some good careful attention and effort in deciding on these new creative teams. I'm worried there might be alot of mismatches, especially on the good lower tier books that were chugging along well on their own.

[jaydeebee]

You're welcome to it, I hope you enjoy it, I've never cared for Morrison's work although All-Star Superman started our pretty good, it fizzled towards the end in my opinion. But it really won't matter to me what direction Morrison takes "Superman" in because I will no longer be reading.

I hope for their sake that DC can attract these mythical "new readers" they claim exist, because they are going to lose a lot of their established customers. Do Didio and Lee really believe that this is 1990 and that we're all going to stock up on 10 copies each of their "new" number 1 issues (sure to be a collector's item!). I was sick of this reboot/renumber crap 20 years ago and I thought, incorrectly, that DC had finally gotten the message, but apparently not.

I didn't tell the comics industry to hide their products away in specialty stores frequented only by older readers, I didn't tell them to print their comics on heavy gloss stock which would make their books unaffordable to children. They're playing the same old tunes as they did 20 years ago but the audience has seen the show already, and the audience hasn't gotten any larger either! Instead of getting their product out in front of a new generation, they're just re-revamping it for the same crowd, and I for one have had it!

No DC, I don't want to start my collection over with your crappy new #1 issues, been there-done that! No DC I don't want teen angst from Superman and Batman. No DC, I don't want to see Jim Lee's idiotic looking redrawn costumes with the ST:TNG collars and the tightly restricted batchular regions. No DC, I don't want to "make history with your new #1's"

I'm not buying it, and I have been the epitome of the DC cheerleader, but not anymore.

I'm going to miss Superman, but I won't miss what DC is pumping out; BILGE!

I now know the date the world ends, August 31st, 2011...at least that's when the comic book world ends. :-(

[jordanscott]

The only reboot that matters:

http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/reboots3.jpg

[marvelguy]

FAIL OR WIN?
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/02/dc-comics-to-publish-historic-first-comic-book-combo-pack-including-justice-league-1-comic-book-and-digital-copy/

[nocutename]

I feel like that is adding insult to injury with that high price point. Sorry just my opinion. I like the combo pack but still feel that it should be free with the comic.

Is this reboot is getting alot of attention or is it just me? I am tired of hearing it already. I'll say this, everyone though Batman dying would kill the books and it did bring more readers to it. There are alot of readers out there that truly enjoy Dick wearing the cowl. I think they will lose readers by placing Bruce back in the cowl.

[jaydeebee]

Bruce has already been back in the cowl for several months...currently they are both Batman. DC...sigh, they really do suck after all... :(

[marvelguy]

I was planning to get the Green lantern trades starting from Rebirth up to now....until this announcement was made. It was to be a long-running series with Johns at the helm. Sadly that won't happen because it doesn't go on...

[nocutename]

I was planning to get the Green lantern trades starting from Rebirth up to now....until this announcement was made. It was to be a long-running series with Johns at the helm. Sadly that won't happen because it doesn't go on...

I completely understand that. There were a few runs I was thinking about getting in trade. Now not so much.

[nocutename]

Bruce has already been back in the cowl for several months...currently they are both Batman. DC...sigh, they really do suck after all... :(

Yes, that is what I thought that they are both donning the cowl. But eventually there will only be one? I tried reading the Batman/Detective but without Bruce it wasn't the same book.

[jordanscott]

FAIL OR WIN?
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/02/dc-comics-to-publish-historic-first-comic-book-combo-pack-including-justice-league-1-comic-book-and-digital-copy/

Well I already don't like the 1.99 price point for a month out but I think the double dipping for the first month is even worse.

Bad marketing here. Bad business plan.

Bean counters really shouldn't make business decisions. I see this kinda backward thinking at work every day.

[Hepcat]

I hope for their sake that DC can attract these mythical "new readers" they claim exist, because they are going to lose a lot of their established customers. Do Didio and Lee really believe that this is 1990 and that we're all going to stock up on 10 copies each of their "new" number 1 issues (sure to be a collector's item!). I was sick of this reboot/renumber crap 20 years ago and I thought, incorrectly, that DC had finally gotten the message, but apparently not.

I didn't tell the comics industry to hide their products away in specialty stores frequented only by older readers, I didn't tell them to print their comics on heavy gloss stock which would make their books unaffordable to children. They're playing the same old tunes as they did 20 years ago but the audience has seen the show already, and the audience hasn't gotten any larger either! Instead of getting their product out in front of a new generation, they're just re-revamping it for the same crowd, and I for one have had it!

No DC, I don't want to start my collection over with your crappy new #1 issues, been there-done that! No DC I don't want teen angst from Superman and Batman. No DC, I don't want to see Jim Lee's idiotic looking redrawn costumes with the ST:TNG collars and the tightly restricted batchular regions. No DC, I don't want to "make history with your new #1's"

Well said.

:grin:

[jaydeebee]

#allhailme#

[comicguy]

Well I was down to just 4 DC series (GL, GL Corps, GL Emerald Warriors, and Booster Gold) When these titles relaunch I will not be there!!! I am sick of renumbering for the sake of renumberring and a few dollars (Also,as an aside, I have dropped every Marvel title as they were renumbered, except Iron Man)

I guess I will just get Iron Man and the few indys that I still get from now on!!!

[marvelguy]

I was planning to get the Green lantern trades starting from Rebirth up to now....until this announcement was made. It was to be a long-running series with Johns at the helm. Sadly that won't happen because it doesn't go on...

Hmm...I hear the creative teams will still be on GL. I may have hold out some hope on this one.

[nocutename]

I figured I would just post this here:

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/06/batman-1-and-detective-comics-1-history-in-the-making/

Looks like they will be bring back Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. I had a feeling they would and honestly while excited, I still liked her as Oracle.

[fulltimer56]

You're welcome to it, I hope you enjoy it, I've never cared for Morrison's work although All-Star Superman started our pretty good, it fizzled towards the end in my opinion. But it really won't matter to me what direction Morrison takes "Superman" in because I will no longer be reading.

I hope for their sake that DC can attract these mythical "new readers" they claim exist, because they are going to lose a lot of their established customers. Do Didio and Lee really believe that this is 1990 and that we're all going to stock up on 10 copies each of their "new" number 1 issues (sure to be a collector's item!). I was sick of this reboot/renumber crap 20 years ago and I thought, incorrectly, that DC had finally gotten the message, but apparently not.

I didn't tell the comics industry to hide their products away in specialty stores frequented only by older readers, I didn't tell them to print their comics on heavy gloss stock which would make their books unaffordable to children. They're playing the same old tunes as they did 20 years ago but the audience has seen the show already, and the audience hasn't gotten any larger either! Instead of getting their product out in front of a new generation, they're just re-revamping it for the same crowd, and I for one have had it!

No DC, I don't want to start my collection over with your crappy new #1 issues, been there-done that! No DC I don't want teen angst from Superman and Batman. No DC, I don't want to see Jim Lee's idiotic looking redrawn costumes with the ST:TNG collars and the tightly restricted batchular regions. No DC, I don't want to "make history with your new #1's"

I'm not buying it, and I have been the epitome of the DC cheerleader, but not anymore.

I'm going to miss Superman, but I won't miss what DC is pumping out; BILGE!

I now know the date the world ends, August 31st, 2011...at least that's when the comic book world ends. :-(

I hear ya, JDB.. Like I said in an earlier post I was keeping my Superman titles going/buying but when they reboot, I don't think so... Maybe buy trades from time to time but that will be it for me if then...

Linda

[Grico]

I figured I would just post this here:

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/06/batman-1-and-detective-comics-1-history-in-the-making/

Looks like they will be bring back Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. I had a feeling they would and honestly while excited, I still liked her as Oracle.
i
Yeah I have mixed feelings. Oracle was a unique character in the universe and played a more crucial role than some one just in a mask. I also have been reading and enjoying Bryan Q. Miller's Stephanie Brown Batgirl. For a reboot it makes alot of sense though, as Barbara Gordon is the most well-known (and probably overall most beloved) of the batgirls. Gail Simone also seems like a good choice for the revamp. So I will be picking the book but it will be a bit bitter sweet.

[jordanscott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpUh_Yl49l4

[jaydeebee]

Well while my initial reaction to the news was similar to Hitler's, I have in the days since mellowed about it and realized that the stinking no-account talentless bums are actually doing me a favor, because I needed to cut back on my comics spending, not only because of my weakened financial condition, but because my collection was simply getting way too large to handle.

This is my regular list of monthly DC Comics which I currently am buying:

Action Comics
Superman
Superboy
Supergirl
Power Girl
Superman/Batman
Batman
Detective Comics
Batman Inc.
Batman: The Dark Knight
Red Robin
Batman Beyond
Batman & Robin
Birds of Prey
Legion of Super-Heroes
Adventure Comics
Flash
Green Arrow
Green Lantern
Green Lantern Corps.
Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors
Booster Gold
DC Universe Online
THUNDER Agents
Teen Titans
Titans
Justice League of America
Justice Society of America
Wonder Woman
Unwritten
House of Mystery

That's 31 titles or about 93 bucks a month for DC. The titles shown in RED are either cancelled or not on the list of 52 new #1 issues. The ones in BLUE are the ones I refuse to buy because of the changes stemming from the reboot or because of how I feel about renumbering. Only three or four of the new titles interest me, so I may I continue to buy the 7 titles shown in BLACK above plus maybe 4 of the new ones, but that's only 11 books versus 31 or about 32 bucks versus 93 bucks! That's 60 bucks I can sock away for things like food and medicine! YAY!

[jaydeebee]

Actually, I am only assuming with the two VERTIGO titles Unwritten and House of Mystery, I have no actual confirmation that these are being cancelled or rebooted although since Wildstorm and at least two Vertigo title characters are being reabsorbed into the DCU mainstream, I can only guess as to what will happen to these two titles.

[dc kev]

Never thought I'd say this, but Hitler is exactly right! Damn you, Didio!!

[marvelguy]

Has anyone thought about this......that the reboot is needed so that the estate of Siegel & Shuster won't see a penny on the original Superman? Hence the reboot, new origins and all, they went ahead and reboot the whole line.

[jordanscott]

Well i knew DC lost the lawsuit for the Shuster and Siegel specific origin aspects but that was decided just recently.

This kinda reboot isn't something you have in your back pocket just in case.

Now I'm sure they'll take advantage of it to retcon Supes into something else but I don't think it's likely this is simply because of that law suit.

[marvelguy]

Well i knew DC lost the lawsuit for the Shuster and Siegel specific origin aspects but that was decided just recently.

This kinda reboot isn't something you have in your back pocket just in case.

Now I'm sure they'll take advantage of it to retcon Supes into something else but I don't think it's likely this is simply because of that law suit.


Case in point, the Smallville TV series isn't allowed to have Clark to wear the suit during the entire 10 seasons except for a few minutes in the final episode.Clearly, in the final episode, he wasn't seen wearing the costume in whole. If you watched it again, it used clever camera tricks to make you think he wore it in full-on appearance.

[nocutename]

I didn't watch the finale. So he suited up! I now have to watch it. I stopped watching the show sometime around season 7

[marvelguy]

Oops! Didn't mean to spoil it, I thought by now everyone had known about it.

[marvelguy]

The only reboot that matters:

http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/reboots3.jpg

I remember that toon. It was cutting edge back then.

[jaydeebee]

Just a random thought; we have a really nice crowd on this message board, always civil and respectful. I've been noticing over the last few days that a lot of the posters on the DC Message boards are a bunch of d**ks. Now back to our regularly scheduled message thread...

[marvelguy]

I wouldn't touch Marvel or DC forums....someone could be shilling ala Didilo and Questfaila.

[barbie1966]

If anyone is interested there is a complete and official listing of all 52 DC #1's, including creative teams and story synopses @ http://www.superherocomicbooks.com/blog/post/2999144
If you read this posting you will understand what they mean when they say this is not a reboot, it is a relaunch. This posting also allows comments.

[nocutename]

Just a random thought; we have a really nice crowd on this message board, always civil and respectful. I've been noticing over the last few days that a lot of the posters on the DC Message boards are a bunch of d**ks. Now back to our regularly scheduled message thread...

Jay, I didn't know you posted over on the DC boards. That was my first message board so I still post over there. Mainly stick to one thread on the Batboards. Since the first Batman movie came out it hasn't been the same over there. Too many youngens shooting off their mouth. The general board just gets scary and I don't really go over to it too much.

[jordanscott]

Jay, I didn't know you posted over on the DC boards. That was my first message board so I still post over there. Mainly stick to one thread on the Batboards. Since the first Batman movie came out it hasn't been the same over there. Too many youngens shooting off their mouth. The general board just gets scary and I don't really go over to it too much.

I had to stop posting on the DC board around Final Crisis. Well, I didn't post a lot but did read a lot and I thought it was a totally vile, venom filled board. And not just the FC/Morrison debate at the time but just in general. I really would have expected better moderation and use of the mod hammer to keep it a consumer friendly site.

[Evil Parsnip]

Wish I could tell you I understood this move, but it makes little sense, even if DC is trying to tap into a huge asian market, and make them more accessible - the price point would make them prohibitive to most of that market.

Just seems like a bad idea.

[nocutename]

There are some good poster there, you just have to weed out alot of bad apples. I like going to the DC Archives board and the Batman. I rarely wander as their are too many idiots there. This is the main thread I post to and we even shared Santa gifts - http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000139710&tstart=0


I had to stop posting on the DC board around Final Crisis. Well, I didn't post a lot but did read a lot and I thought it was a totally vile, venom filled board. And not just the FC/Morrison debate at the time but just in general. I really would have expected better moderation and use of the mod hammer to keep it a consumer friendly site.

[custodes]

God, I just lost a carefully worded, 25 minute to write, post. Really frustrating. And I was already, due to the nature of the thread here, pissed off.

Basically, no reboot/retread.

[Hepcat]

If anyone is interested there is a complete and official listing of all 52 DC #1's, including creative teams and story synopses @ http://www.superherocomicbooks.com/blog/post/2999144
If you read this posting you will understand what they mean when they say this is not a reboot, it is a relaunch.

So is a relaunch even worse than a reboot then?

:confused:

Admittedly to me it's a moot point anyway. I lost interest in DC books with the Crisis on Infinite Earths retconning in 1985-86 anyway.

;)

[Hepcat]

...on the DC boards.... Since the first Batman movie came out it hasn't been the same over there. Too many youngens shooting off their mouth. The general board just gets scary and I don't really go over to it too much.

I don't understand. The first Batman movie was with Adam West and came out in 1966 which was well before internet discussion forums.

Which is the board you refer to as "scary"? This one?

http://marvelmasterworksfansite.yuku.com/forums/6/DC-Archives-Message-Board

:confused:

[Quato]

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[Hepcat]

That leaves me even more confused though.

:confused:

[nocutename]

I didn't type the full thought that was in my head. The first Nolan Batman movie. Once that hit, the DC batman boards got tons of new posters. Really hasn't been the same since. But I still go there because it is the only board that I know to discuss DC books. The other boards are all Marvel. I don't read or no anything about Marvel.


I don't understand. The first Batman movie was with Adam West and came out in 1966 which was well before internet discussion forums.

Which is the board you refer to as "scary"? This one?

http://marvelmasterworksfansite.yuku.com/forums/6/DC-Archives-Message-Board

:confused:

[Hepcat]

Speaking of Marvel, I take it there was some continuity altering retconning or something like that in the nineties. Was it an event with a formal name or was it somewhat more loosy-goosy?

:confused:

[marvelguy]

Yes, it was called.........Heroes Reborn...then Return.....then.....umm....it is a mess now, ain't it?

[Hepcat]

"Heroes Reborn" was a 1996-97 crossover story.... During this one-year, multi-title story arc, Marvel temporarily outsourced the production of several of its most famous comic books to the studios of its popular former employees Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld.

Following the apparent deaths of the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, and Dr. Doom battling Onslaught in Onslaught: Marvel Universe, they were "reborn" and certain aspects of their earlier stories were expanded with the intent of telling their adventures anew for modern generations.... The characters' origins and histories were revised and updated circa mid-nineties for modern audiences. For instance, Ben Grimm fought as a pilot in the Gulf War instead of World War II....

For this reworking, Marvel "farmed out" the properties to some of their former employees who had left the company to form Image Comics. Jim Lee's Wildstorm Productions studios handled Fantastic Four and Iron Man, and Rob Liefeld's Extreme Studios took the reins of The Avengers and Captain America.

At the end of the storyline, the Fantastic Four and Avengers were returned to the mainstream Marvel Universe ... in the miniseries Heroes Reborn: The Return (She-Hulk and several members of the Inhuman Royal Family were incorrectly depicted as returning heroes, even though they were not among the missing heroes from Onslaught: Marvel Universe). The ensuing storyline, dubbed "Heroes Return" was once again created in-house at Marvel Comics.

Oh groan. Is there a smilie for jumping from your basement window?

:eek:

I guess though I should really be thanking both Marvel and DC then for providing me with a logical ending point for their titles.

#banana1#

[jordanscott]

I guess though I should really be thanking both Marvel and DC then for providing me with a logical ending point for their titles.



#rockon#

[nocutename]

Oh groan. Is there a smilie for jumping from your basement window?

:eek:

I guess though I should really be thanking both Marvel and DC then for providing me with a logical ending point for their titles.

#banana1#

Do you currently collect moderns?

[jaydeebee]

I guess though I should really be thanking both Marvel and DC then for providing me with a logical ending point for their titles.



I agree, that was thoughtful of them. Collecting is a bit of a mental illness in that the collector feels the need to have a complete set, having the purveyor of the "collectible" provide the collector with a cut-off point is quite polite of them, but not particularly bright from a sales standpoint.

[Hepcat]

Do you currently collect moderns?

No.


I agree, that was thoughtful of them. Collecting is a bit of a mental illness in that the collector feels the need to have a complete set, having the purveyor of the "collectible" provide the collector with a cut-off point is quite polite of them, but not particularly bright from a sales standpoint.

I agree entirely!

:cool:

[jordanscott]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2011/06/dcv.jpg

[Hepcat]

Has anybody heard how DC will explain away the previous 73 years of stories? All just a dream, or pulp novel fiction a la Two-Gun Kid's reboot some fifty years ago?

:confused:

[jordanscott]

Not that I've heard but it's not really tops on my list of things to pay attention to.

[marvelguy]

Has anybody heard how DC will explain away the previous 73 years of stories? All just a dream, or pulp novel fiction a la Two-Gun Kid's reboot some fifty years ago?

:confused:

It has something do to with the final issue of Flashpoint, in which it hit stands the same day JLA #1 comes out. That's the only 2 DC books out that week.

[GWiz]

Has anybody heard how DC will explain away the previous 73 years of stories? All just a dream, or pulp novel fiction a la Two-Gun Kid's reboot some fifty years ago?

:confused:

According to the LCS here the re-(whatever anyone wants to call it) takes place 5 years before the current events in DCU and anything past that never happened.

[jordanscott]

Seriously?

That's dumb.

[Hepcat]

According to the LCS here the re-(whatever anyone wants to call it) takes place 5 years before the current events in DCU and anything past that never happened.

A clever ploy on DC's part. That way disgruntled fans can't even turn in the last five years of plotless books for a refund since these books clearly can't possibly exist anymore.

:eek:

[jordanscott]

certainly easier than paying for consistently good writing.

i suppose a few yrs after Flashpoint there will be Point Flash and then a few yrs after that Final Flashpoint.

[Hepcat]

certainly easier than paying for consistently good writing.

That about sums it up!


i suppose a few yrs after Flashpoint there will be Point Flash and then a few yrs after that Final Flashpoint.

I suppose we shouldn't hold our breath for something entitled Flash! Final Last Ditch Attempt to Dupe Fans into Buying Multiple Copies of Forgettable Comics!"

#banghead#

[GWiz]

Have to say though not extremely diverse in the comic world fairly new to the boards even newer to DCU. Just got involved since the Blackest Night event and been hooked ever since with GL and anything GL related.


Serious about the info, came from the LCS owner how accurate remains to be seen. The LCS has been around for ages since younger times with Marvel collecting IRON MAN.

Like Hepcat, when the info was heard thought it is DC clever ploy to revert should the comic community not be so accepting of the changes. Also thought this could be DC way to redo/restart Blackest Night event to get new readers once again much like what happened to myself.

[nocutename]

How is DC going to resolve the fact that Morrison is going to continue his Bat-fiasco after Flashpoint. Or the fact that Damain is still in the picture? LCS are normally not the best source of info, IMO.

[dirtyharry]

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/DC-Universe-Reboot-Announcement-110531.html
It might be fun for the non DC readers.Get some new blood going.How many people actually like the JLA?

[jaydeebee]

It might be fun for the non DC readers.Get some new blood going.How many people actually like the JLA?

I would argue that non DC readers for the most part are non DC readers for a reason, probably because they dislike super-hero comics or because they simply don't care for the characters. Since these are going to be the same characters with slightly different costumes and origins, I don't really see that drawing in comic readers who have already turned up their noses at DC Comics.

The reboot, renumber, relaunch, rehash scheme by DC seems more a grab for NON COMIC READERS, which while a noble cause still begs the question; where are these new readers coming from? Is DC counting on them stumbling their way into a comic shop by accident while searching for the latest iPhone app or video game? And upon doing so they will be so intrigued by comics with "NEW #1" emblazoned on the cover that they will purchase 10 copies each?

I just don't see that happening, comics used to be available in just about any venue, grocery stores, drug stores, department stores, book stores, newsstands, toy stores, convenience stores...you name it, they probably had some comics for sale! Now they are hidden from the buying public in general. Grandparents aren't likely to go into "Heroes and Hooters" looking for a few comics to hand out to junior and junior is not very likely to either!

The idea that all new #1 issues are going to draw in new customers to an industry which has over the last 30 years actively discouraged new customers is beyond ridiculous, as is the notion that new readers are put off by high number comics. I didn't start buying comics at number one, yet somehow I understood within a few minutes what was going on. I could even argue that the fact that something had gone on before I joined in, made me more interested in learning what had happened, which is why I got into buying back issues!

[jordanscott]

http://chzheroes.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/superheroes-batman-superman-yeah-it-really-is.jpg

[Hepcat]

Nice, but where's Robin?

:confused:

[jaydeebee]

Nice, but where's Robin?

:confused:

Robin is a unicorn in the NuDCU, haven't you heard?

[marvelguy]

Ok......in the new DC line this fall, which earth is that going to take place? I remember there was 52 earths. I don't keep up with DC.

[jordanscott]

Actually, I think they're using 2 dolphins and a unicorn to replace Aquaman.

It'll be an improvement.

[jaydeebee]

Ok......in the new DC line this fall, which earth is that going to take place? I remember there was 52 earths. I don't keep up with DC.

Earth 616, DC is now officially Marvel Comics of 1995.

[nocutename]

Robin, to the Bat-corn. Somehow, it doesn't have the same feel to it.

[Evil Parsnip]

the e-previews may help them sell some books. A big push in that arena could sell folks on trying some new books.

[jordanscott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXOovN-Ibi0

[jordanscott]

...Everything is new. Everything is fresh. Our heroes are young. The origins are fresh. They relate to what's going on in the world...

sad making.

[barbie1966]

Is DC counting on them stumbling their way into a comic shop by accident while searching for the latest iPhone app or video game?



Maybe DC is counting on some response from the full page stories that ran in USA Today. Not everything happens on the internet. I for one am looking forward to the relaunch and I am sure that I am not alone. Some of the creative teams are top-notch and the story lines for the most part seem rooted in accepted lore. I have said before and still hold fast that what matters most is a good story with great art. This is what will draw new readers and keep them more than curiosity from seeing a movie would do. The #1 scheme seems aimed at making people feel as if they are getting in on the ground floor of something exciting. I would suggest picking up one or two before dismissing the entire lot out of hand. http://www.superherocomicbooks.com/dc-comic-books

[toz1960]

The #1 scheme seems aimed at making people feel as if they are getting in on the ground floor of something exciting. I would suggest picking up one or two before dismissing the entire lot out of hand.
Gimmick that's been done to death.

[jaydeebee]

The video made me throw up in my mouth just a little. Seriously, I have invested 35 years of my life in these characters and their stories, I have a room in my house filled with DC back issues and Superman stuff. I'm an idiot.

[barbie1966]

Seriously, I have invested 35 years of my life in these characters and their stories, I have a room in my house filled with DC back issues and Superman stuff. I'm an idiot.

Hey does anyone realize that were talking about "stories", that's made-up stuff for those without dictionaries. just because the revamp a few characters or renumber books, doen't mean that everything that's come before is now invalidated or worthless. I post on a number of boards, and i see the same people kvetching about Dynamite dusting off Kirby characters, that are complaining about DC trying to inject new blood into stale old concepts. So, you don't want fresh and you don't want nostalgia, that only leaves status quo. When nothing ever change, isn't that the very definition of boring.
on a side note: Does anyone know of a board where people like comic books? all i can find are haters.

[Quato]

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[barbie1966]

So, again I ask if you hate modern comics so much, why are you here? Your attacks on my IQ show your own lack of intelligence. In my opinion only uneducated people use personal attacks in lieu of logical arguments. It is impossible to form an opinion about something you have not seen or read. What ever your reason's for not buying DC comics, you have not expressed yourself in any meaningful way. I'm sorry Q, but I find your outlook far too pessimistic. For me, comic books, especially superheroes, have always been the literature of hope. I asked you before, and I ask again, if you think I'm deluded and mindless, why not point me to something you would recommend, rather than belittle me for what I like. (by the way, my GPA is 3.95)
http://www.superherocomicbooks.com

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[Hepcat]

Does anyone know of a board where people like comic books? all i can find are haters.

It would be strange indeed that we have so many comics were we haters. Just because we happen not to like the ones you happen to have for sale does not mean we're comic book haters.

:roll:

[jordanscott]

or so that an Anthrax detection system at the post office works like it should.

Q

http://rockbandaide.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Anthrax.jpg

[jordanscott]

I'd love it if they came to my post office.

[barbie1966]

I'm beginning to see why this is called the "Corral." Lighten up everybody. its just ink on paper. Adios Muchachos!

[jordanscott]

Why is it called Corral?

[marvelguy]

It had something to do with the Ebay exodus from back when....

[stupidman]

I for one am looking forward to the relaunch and I am sure that I am not alone. Some of the creative teams are top-notch and the story lines for the most part seem rooted in accepted lore. I have said before and still hold fast that what matters most is a good story with great art. This is what will draw new readers and keep them more than curiosity from seeing a movie would do. http://www.superherocomicbooks.com/dc-comic-books

Actaully this is one of the things I was looking forward to. With such a big gamble, I figured DC would pull out all the stops and get some kick-ass creative teams on these books. Hell, the first book they announced was Geoff Johns and Jim Lee! Instead we got crappy artists (Liefeld on Hawk + Dove!) and no-name artists and crappy writers like Scott Lobdell and Dan Didio himself. George Perez is writing a book but not drawing one? C'mon! One of the best pairings, Johns and Ivan Reis, end up on what book? Aquaman. Uff da! And they put Grant Morrison on Action Comics - one of my favorite writers on my least favorite character. Dang. And some titles look just plain stupid like Demon Knights and Frankenstein Agent of Shade.

In this context, I'm more disappointed then being a hater.

[Quato]

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[jaydeebee]

With no offense at all directed towards Barbie1966, I don't really see any "hate" here. I don't like what DC is getting ready to do and I am expressing my opinion about that. True that I tend to express my opinions very vividly online, that's because the message board format doesn't allow for real-time face-to-face exchanges and therefore sometimes I and perhaps others tend to exaggerate in order to make a point.

Barbie and others out there, what I was trying to convey is that I LOVE DC COMICS, I literally have at least 15,000+ DC comics(out of 25000) which I have collected. I don't hate comics, if I hated them I never would have collected them for so long. But that doesn't mean I like, or have to like, everything that those driving the industry do!

It doesn't make sense to me to alienate the customers you have to try to attract those you don't appeal to, because you very well may end up with neither! That's a move of desperation and I really don't believe that DC Comics is that desperate. I'm sure they are struggling in this economy, as most industries are, but this move seems more ego-driven than anything else. As if the co-publishers are saying, "we want to be number one and we'll do anything to make that happen even if it's only for one month and even if it destroys our fan base!"

Bravo Mr. Didio and Mr. Lee, I think you'll achieve both. Alhough I doubt being number one will last longer than one month, the alienated fans will last much longer.

[jaydeebee]

And they put Grant Morrison on Action Comics - one of my favorite writers on my least favorite character.

Yeah, I wish you had him on your favorite book so he wouldn't be f'ing up my favorite character.

[Hepcat]

Anybody who thinks an Action #1 in 2011 equates to "getting in on the ground floor" of anything isn't too bright in my opinion. Putting grandpa in a diaper and handing him a pacifier doesn't make him look like an infant.



:D



It doesn't make sense to me to alienate the customers you have to try to attract those you don't appeal to, because you very well may end up with neither! That's a move of desperation.... this move seems more ego-driven than anything else. As if the co-publishers are saying, "we want to be number one and we'll do anything to make that happen even if it's only for one month and even if it destroys our fan base!"

Bravo Mr. Didio and Mr. Lee, I think you'll achieve both. Alhough I doubt being number one will last longer than one month, the alienated fans will last much longer.

I agree.

#rockon#

[Quato]

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[toz1960]

Maybe they could start selling them in stores?You know,grocery stores with magazine racks,Wal Marts,quick marts.Reckon that would work?

[Hepcat]

Comics in neighbourhood convenience stores? Now there's a novel idea!

:shock:

[jaydeebee]

The direct marketing approach; the savior and destruction of the industry.

[Quato]

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[marvelguy]

Diamond supposedly closed a west coast distribution center in March. I saw reports, but I haven't seen confirmation. I kinda pondered the implications of that and I'm guessing Diamond can reduce some of their overhead costs including freight cost while letting the west coast store pick those additional freight costs.

With any business, you need to have a certain level of volume to perform all the functions. DC has a lot of overhead. Even if the books are paying for all the creative folks, there are management and payroll people over and above that which have to be paid. Also, if DC is struggling for sales, Diamond is also taking a hit on profits. There's been plenty of evidence that Diamond is struggling. Last but not least is the stores. Diamond relies upon the stores, but the stores also rely upon Diamond.If Diamond collapses, the stores won't have a way to get product.

I think comics are at a very fragile stage and that brick & mortar comic stores will be gone within 10 years. I think DC knows this already,

Q

Add more woes to Diamond's balance sheet with the downsizing of Borders. It is confirmed that Borders owed them $1.5 million as they filed bankruptcy. It is literally a house of cards right now for them, any more instability will make them weaker.

[Quato]

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[Quato]

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[Hepcat]

Hmmmmmm....

http://st3.speedforce.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Flashpoint1.jpg

Maybe had they kept it on newsprint and sold a few ads to Revell-Monogram and Hershey Chocolate they could have kept the price to $1.99 and sold twice as many copies....

#flash#

[Quato]

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[jordanscott]

What happened to the claim that their comics would stay $2.99?

Q

They said right at the get go that didn't include 'event' titles.

[Quato]

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[jordanscott]

DC offers 2 'FAQ' responses:

ICv2 1 (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20489.html)

ICv2 2 (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20490.html)

[nocutename]

Here's a linky with the new designs: http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/07/24/today%e2%80%99s-designing-the-new-dcu-52-panel-at-sdcc/

[Quato]

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[jordanscott]

And a last thought on the matter:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH3W1gQYiD4

[nocutename]

JDate. LOL. That was pretty funny. I cannot wait to get Swamp Thing. That cover is calling my name.

[custodes]

If I was a Creator/Pro and I cared for more than just my paycheck, I might think: All my work....gone.