Hmm...........I'm puzzled.

[marvelguy]

Check this out!
http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/19/marc-silvestri-teases/

[Blufalkn2]

I concur...WTF?

If they give tony caps shield: I will be pissed
If they put cap in armor: I will be pissed

[marvelguy]

Yeah, unless it's his trophy prize if it's Cap. If it's Tony, it's disrespecting him.

[disneyteddies]

Maybe Tony finally wore the costume down to its primer and the color is just coincidentle?? LoL.

[marvelguy]

How many times has anyone ever seen Cap's shield almost completely damaged like that? And why is Iron Man holding it?

[Hoss]

I hope that it doesn't mean that Captain American lost against IM. :(

[fulltimer56]

DAMN! Not the capt.!!!

[Hoss]

So who are you guys and gals rooting for anyway? The Pro Registration people or the Anti Registration people?

I can understand both sides, but I'm rooting for Cap and his crew.

Hoss

[disneyteddies]

If I remember correctly, Tony Stark had a hand in creating Cap's shield in the first place...maybe the warrenty ran out???

[fulltimer56]

:lol: @ Hank!!!

[rowand]

OK, easy explaination! The Harley Davidson company is going to buy out Marvel for loose pocket change and a subway token. The new bosses will want to retool all the storylines to be more Hog-friendly and what you are looking at is the cover to their first work --

AMERICAN IRON




Note: no ticking packages will be opened after reception.

[fulltimer56]

You just ain't right, rowand!! :lol:

[rowand]

For the record -- Cap's original shield was created between Issue ONE and TWO of his 40's comic. I always assumed that the local magic types like the Not-Yet-Ancient one created a new shield for Steve Rodgers to help him motivate the sleeping spirits of the Allied nations. If you look closely at the inscription of the second shield it is a thricely - inscribed pentacle or what is commonly used as a demon portal in sword and sorcery plotlines.

A standard issue Demon Portal is a pentacle inscribed within three unbroken circles with a candle burning at each apex of the pentacle. Cap's happens to be red, white, and blue. The flames needed must be burning in the hearts and souls of all true Americans.

[disneyteddies]

This helps explain the shield thing..I was partially right about Tony Stark....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America's_shield

[disneyteddies]

That didn't seem to work so....

Captain America's shield
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Captain America's shield is the primary defensive and offensive piece of equipment used by the Marvel Comics superhero Captain America, and he is seldom seen without it. Over the years, Captain America has had the use of several different shields of varying composition and design.

Contents [hide]
1 The original shield
2 The indestructible shield
2.1 Destroying the indestructible
2.1.1 The power of the Beyonder
2.1.2 The Infinity Gauntlet
2.1.3 The Molecule Man
3 Future and alternate versions
4 Other shields
5 External links



[edit] The original shield

Captain America with his first, triangular shield, from Captain America Comics #1 (March 1941), art by Jack Kirby.In his first appearance in Captain America Comics #1, published by Timely Comics prior to the United States' entry into World War II, and as designed by Jack Kirby, Captain America (secretly Private Steve Rogers) was equipped with a triangular, badge-shaped shield. This original shield was said to be made from a bulletproof alloy. After complaints by rival comic book publisher MLJ that the shield design was too similar to that of their own patriotic hero the Shield, the triangular shield was replaced by a discus-shaped one.

While the origins and fate of the badge shield were never described in the original comics, decades later the story would be told through retroactive continuity. According to this, the original triangular shield was given by Captain America to King T’Chaka (father of T’Challa, the Black Panther) of the fictional isolated African country Wakanda as a pledge that the nation would remain uninvolved in the rest of the war. The original shield still resides in Wakanda as a national treasure.

A second triangular shield was given to him upon his return from that country, and Rogers would use this until given his disc-shaped shield which was personally presented by President Franklin Roosevelt. This second triangular shield was kept in storage with Rogers' other personal effects after the war. It was recovered at some point after Rogers joined the Avengers and kept at Avengers Mansion. However, it was destroyed by the villain Mr. Hyde during a raid on the mansion by Baron Zemo’s Masters of Evil (later "plucked from time" and restored by Baron Zemo in Thunderbolts #105). A third triangular shield was kept in the Smithsonian Institution, and would very briefly be used by Rogers years later after he helped clear out a HYDRA attack on the Institute itself.

Yet another of the triangular shields is currently being used by Elijah Bradley, the teenage hero known as the Patriot and leader of the Young Avengers.



[edit] The indestructible shield

Captain America Vol. 5, #5, Captain America and his indestructible shield. Art by Steve Epting.The circular shield most associated with Captain America made its debut in Captain America Comics #2. A concave metal disc roughly 2.5 feet in diameter and weighing 12 pounds, it is virtually indestructible and has remained his most constant shield over the decades.

Again through retroactive continuity, it was established that the shield was presented to Rogers by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The shield was created by an American metallurgist named Dr. Myron MacLain, who had been commissioned by the US government to create an indestructible armor material to aid the war effort. MacLain experimented with vibranium, an alien metal found only in Wakanda that had unique vibration absorption properties.

During one of his experiments to fuse vibranium with a steel alloy, MacLain fell asleep and woke to find the experiment a success. However, this was due to an unknown catalyst entering the process during his slumber, and he was unable to duplicate the result. The vibranium-steel mix was then poured into a mold for a tank's upper hatch to create the disc shape and painted to become Captain America's symbol.

Rogers' indestructible shield has often been referred to as being an adamantium-vibranium alloy. This is not the case: adamantium was only developed after Rogers was revived from suspended animation, during MacLain's later experiments to try and duplicate the material of the shield (the substance made its first appearance in Avengers Vol. 1 #66, July 1969).

The adamantium-vibranium error first arose in the Captain America entry in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe (the composition of the shield was accurately described in the adamantium entry) and was propagated in several subsequent stories by writers using the Handbook as a reference. The error was corrected in Captain America #303-304 (March-April 1985), which established that the shield is made of vibranium and steel, but that did not prevent the error's repetition over the years.

The vibranium in the shield is what absorbs virtually all of the kinetic impact from any blows that the shield receives, allowing it to withstand incredible amounts of force without injuring Rogers in the process. The vibranium is also a likely factor in the way Rogers throws his shield: he often uses it to ricochet around a room and strike various opponents with little loss of velocity in its forward movement after each impact.

When Rogers returned from suspended animation, Tony Stark "improved" the shield by incorporating electronic and magnetic components in it so that Rogers could even control it in flight. However, Rogers soon discarded the additional components because he found that it upset the balance of the shield when thrown, which was Rogers' ultimate preference.

During his early years in the Avengers, when it was not firmly established that the discus-shaped shield was indestructible, the shield was destroyed or lost several times in the comics, to return with no explanation. It was retconned that these were steel replicas, with the actual shield being borrowed by Stark for analysis and returned to Rogers later.


[edit] Destroying the indestructible
To date, the shield has been damaged or destroyed three times. On each of these occasions, the shield was subjected to a cosmically powerful force capable of reshaping matter on a massive scale. Specifically, the powers that affected the shield were:

The godlike power of the Beyonder
The omnipotence conferred by the Infinity Gauntlet
The Molecule Man's total control over matter
On another occasion, the shield was damaged by Thor during a fight with Rogers due to the power of the Odinforce. (Thor repaired it later.) However, this was ultimately revealed to have taken place in an alternate reality.


[edit] The power of the Beyonder
During the Secret Wars limited series, the shield was partially destroyed by Doctor Doom, who had stolen the power of the godlike being known as the Beyonder. When the Beyonder reclaimed its power, a temporary side effect granted the desires of the heroes on a small scale (such as allowing the doors in the heroes' base to open to Curt Connors). Rogers used this "wish effect" to reconstruct the shield. However, this would have repercussions years later.

When Rogers dropped his shield in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean during an adventure, the shield sank to the bottom, seemingly lost forever, and he used several replacement shields for some months. A recovery team working for Tony Stark managed to retrieve the shield from the ocean floor, but when it was dropped on the deck of the ship, it shattered into dozens of pieces.

Examining the pieces, Rogers and Stark discovered that when Rogers put the shield back together with the Beyonder's energies, a small submolecular imperfection was introduced into the vibranium: one solitary molecule was left out of alignment. With each additional impact over the years, the misalignment spread to neighbouring molecules, steadily growing until the molecular bonds of the shield were completely broken down and it shattered. However, the consequences were far graver, as the shattering of the shield did not stop this chain reaction; the instability continued to grow, creating a vibranium "cancer", a shockwave that was propagating throughout the world, violently detonating any vibranium it found, from mineral deposits to vibranium used in the construction of ships and equipment. The shockwave was traveling to the Great Vibranium Mound in Wakanda, where the resulting explosion could destroy the world.

To prevent this, Rogers travelled to Wakanda with the pieces of the shield taped together, prepared to sacrifice what remained of it in an attempt to absorb the shockwave. However, the villain Klaw (who was made up of living sound waves) had reached Wakanda ahead of him. Klaw stood in the path of the shockwave, absorbing it himself and increasing his own powers considerably. When Klaw next attacked Rogers, the latter instinctively raised the taped-together shield in defense. When Klaw struck the shield, his shockwave-augmented power realigned its vibranium molecules and restored the shield. Rogers then defeated Klaw.


[edit] The Infinity Gauntlet
During the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, Thanos (who possesed omnipotence via the Infinity Gauntlet) shattered the shield with a blow of his fist while in combat with Captain America. The shield was soon restored by Thanos' alleged granddaughter, Nebula, when she obtained the Gauntlet and used it to restore the death and destruction that Thanos had caused over the previous twenty-four hours. Although Nebula's actions are sometimes described as having turned back time or altered the past so that Thanos' acts of destruction never occurred, this is unlikely, as not all of the events that occurred during the twenty-four hour timeframe (including some other actions committed by Thanos) were undone.


[edit] The Molecule Man
On another occasion, the Molecule Man disintegrated the shield, along with Thor's hammer, Iron Man's armor and the Silver Surfer's board. He later reassembled these items, with the exception of the armor, commenting that while the board's molecules were totally unknown to him and the hammer's molecules were held together by some mystical force, the shield's molecules were unlike any he had ever seen.


[edit] Future and alternate versions
Given its powerful symbolism, the indestructible shield has been shown in many alternate futures of the Marvel Universe.

In the timeline of the Guardians of the Galaxy, the shield was used by Major Victory.
In the "Future Imperfect" setting, where the Hulk became the Maestro and was both the last surviving superbeing and a despotic ruler, an ancient Rick Jones assembled a trophy room as a tribute to the fallen heroes, with the shield among them. Jones used the shield to defend against one of the Maestro's blows, but the impact was too powerful for even it to absorb. Jones was sent flying back and was impaled on Wolverine's skeleton. When the Hulk, plucked from the past, threw the shield to attack his future self, he managed to injure the Maestro. The Maestro then commented that Rogers could never throw the shield hard enough to do him any damage. After the battle, Jones was cremated; the Hulk poured Jones's ashes over the shield, affixing it with an epoxy, and then threw it into space.
In the alternate reality shown in What If...? #114, where the heroes and villains wre unable to leave Battleworld at the conclusion of the Secret Wars, the shield was passed on to the daughter of Captain America and Rogue.
In the MC2 timeline, Sharon Carter's daughter, Shannon, joined A-Next (that timeline's version of the Avengers) and took the alias of American Dream. She also used a version of the indestructible shield that belonged to the deceased counterpart of Captain America on an Earth on which the Red Skull came to power. Later the MC2 version of Captain America died saving the world; his spirit and body, including his shield, were turned into a new star by Thor, where it would forever shine to inspire new generations of heroes.
Cable claims to have borne the shield into battle many times during his early adulthood, far in the future.
Also, in the JLA/Avengers crossover comic series, in the final issue, Captain America lets Superman wield his shield in battle, despite their bitter rivalry in the previous issue.

[edit] Other shields

Captain America brandishing his photonic energy shield. Cover for Captain America Vol. 3 #9, by Andy KubertWhile Rogers was asleep in suspended animation, three other men used the identity of Captain America, all using steel replicas of the discus shield. The last, 1950s Captain America was also placed in suspended animation after becoming mentally unstable. When he was revived years later, Rogers had awoken and the two clashed, and the 1950s Captain America's shield was broken during this fight.
In the 1980s, in a story written by Mark Gruenwald, Rogers chose to resign his identity rather than submit to the orders of the United States government and took the alias of "The Captain" instead. This extended story arc was intended to illustrate the difference of Captain America's beliefs from his replacement who was intended to illustrate the jingoistic attitude that the popular movie character Rambo embodied and which Rogers did not share. During this period, the role of Captain America was assumed by John Walker, the former Super-Patriot, who used both the costume and the indestructible shield. (Captain America #332-#351, 1987-1989). In his new identity of "The Captain", Rogers initially used a pure adamantium shield provided by Stark, but a falling out between the two led Rogers to return it. He then began to use a pure vibranium shield provided by the Black Panther. When Rogers returned to his Captain America identity, Walker became the USAgent and returned the shield to him. Walker would go on to have his own array of different shields over the years, the first of which appeared to be the last vibranium shield Rogers was using as the Captain. The USAgent has used shields with an eagle motif and one in the shape of a star, as well as a photonic energy shield.
At one point, when Rogers was exiled from the United States and was briefly unable to use his shield, Sharon Carter provided him with a photonic energy shield designed to mimic a vibranium matrix.
During the time when the shield was lost in the Atlantic, Rogers tried using a pure adamantium shield, but was unable to get used to the balance. He also tried fighting without a shield but also found it awkward. While up against HYDRA agents in the Smithsonian, he picked up the triangular shield that was being exhibited there and used it for a time before it was crushed by a Kree warrior. Sharon Carter next provided him with another photonic shield, but one whose shape could be controlled to morph the energy field into a wider force field, a bo staff or even fire a projection of the shield. While he enjoyed the versatility, Rogers noticed a number of drawbacks, particularly its inability to ricochet. Rogers gave one of the energy shield gloves to a freedom fighter in an oppressive future he traveled to and received a replacement from S.H.I.E.L.D. when he got back to his own time.
In the time-jumping mini-series Avengers Forever, various future and alternate versions of Captain America are shown with many different variations of the shield.
The Ultimate Universe version of Captain America uses a shield of pure adamantium, although that metal may not possess the same properties in the ultimate universe as it does in the mainstream Marvel Universe. In the animated movie Ultimate Avengers, based on The Ultimates but with several changes, Captain America uses an adamantium/vibranium shield.

[marvelguy]

Cool stuff on the wiki site, DT. Here's a cover image that best explains why there shouldn't be bullet holes or is it dents on the shield.
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/14481892132.8.gif

[disneyteddies]

What about Batarangs???

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/Hank27/BatmanVsCaptainAmerica_MikeZeck.jpg

[Blufalkn2]

That's sweet! where did you get that image?

[marvelguy]

Look up Mike Zeck's own website. He has some cover recreations there. It's cool, even for Cap fans. They have some recreations of Deathlok with his scope reflections of Cap in different poses.

[marvelguy]

Look up a thread here about Mike Zeck's recereations, there's some more image there to knock your socks off.

[Blufalkn2]

Zang!

[jaydeebee]

So who are you guys and gals rooting for anyway? The Pro Registration people or the Anti Registration people?

I can understand both sides, but I'm rooting for Cap and his crew.

Hoss

Marvel Comics has actually done something with Civil War that I didn't think was possible, they have made me actually HATE one of their characters almost as much as if he were a real live hate-able human being.

I'm talking of course, about Iron Man. I completely despise this character now and I hope that Tony Stark is killed, violently, or at least completely disgraced by the end of CW. Never a real favorite of mine anyway, but to turn him into a complete government stooge the way they have...phooey! Stark can't be redeemed at this point in my eyes.

So Marvel has done a good job, because they got me involved in a story to the point that I have real world emotions about a comic world character. But they blundered in that I now hate that character and his co-horts and will never buy books about any of those characters again.

Irony?

[disneyteddies]

I can't really give an opinion because I don't know anything about the Civil War stuff (I have no idea what's happened). I take it Tony Stark has joined forces with the government and has been corrupted to the point that JBD wants him dead....without rewriting history completly..what did he do that was so bad?? Just the cliff notes please...And the Captain America/Batman pic was just a cool pic I snatched off the internet...I guess the creator does more than just the one according to u guys. I'll have to see his others.

[Blufalkn2]

Tony has taken the lead on the Pro-registration actions for the government. He is the leader of the turncoats who are trying to bring in Cap and his rebel forces!

[disneyteddies]

So Cap is good still and Tony is on the wrong side? Has he done anything really bad like kill another superhero or is it all just disgusting politics? Thanx for the info Blue...Are you named after the superhero Blue Falcon and Dynomutt?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/Hank27/dynomuttgood.jpg

[marvelguy]

Marvel Comics has actually done something with Civil War that I didn't think was possible, they have made me actually HATE one of their characters almost as much as if he were a real live hate-able human being.

I'm talking of course, about Iron Man. I completely despise this character now and I hope that Tony Stark is killed, violently, or at least completely disgraced by the end of CW. Never a real favorite of mine anyway, but to turn him into a complete government stooge the way they have...phooey! Stark can't be redeemed at this point in my eyes.

So Marvel has done a good job, because they got me involved in a story to the point that I have real world emotions about a comic world character. But they blundered in that I now hate that character and his co-horts and will never buy books about any of those characters again.

Irony?

Well said, JDB. I never actually hated or dislike anyone in comics until Civil War of which is Iron Man or rather Tony Stark. They did a good job of fleshing out the character. Just look at the cover of Frontline #2, he looks very menacing like there is a great dark force behind all this. Until Civil War #7, we''ll see the fruits of all the labors put into this project be revealed.

[fulltimer56]

I guess you won't be paying the new Iron Man movie coming out tomorrow, jaydeebee!

[jaydeebee]

I guess you won't be paying the new Iron Man movie coming out tomorrow, jaydeebee!


True, but then I probably wouldn't have anyway.#superman#

[marvelguy]

I'll be getting that DVD anyways.:)

[fulltimer56]

I will also be buying it for my collection.

Does anyone know if this Iron Man going to be the same one as in the last two Ultimate Avengers movies?

Linda

[marvelguy]

I don't know about that, but it's an origin story retconned for today's tastes.

[Blufalkn2]

Well, Tony and Mr Fantastic cloned thor and he killed Goliath with a lightning bolt to the chest. It went right through him.

[Blufalkn2]

dt,
not named after either of them...But thats funny, never made that connection. I am more of a Dynomutt kind of guy though!

[marvelguy]

I have a feeling that Steve is in that Iron Man suit. Just a feeling. Maybe not, don't wanna get your hopes up or down. But.....whoever is in that Ronin get-up has me really bummed.